Field Herp Forum

Great photos and trip report.

No experience in CA, but in the states I've been herping, Law enforcement has not been bothersome at all. I've had state and local police stop to see why Im along a roadside, but they didn't mind that I was looking for snakes. I've had a game warden check my trunk, glance around, or glove box before...

LEOs wouldn't have any way to tell if you have a snake boxed up for keeping or to turn loose later, I think at that point you're just in possession either way so make sure whatever you have is legal. I actually think turning it loose later might be worse because now you've exposed it to foreign too...

LEOs wouldn't have any way to tell if you have a snake boxed up for keeping or to turn loose later, I think at that point you're just in possession either way so make sure whatever you have is legal. I actually think turning it loose later might be worse because now you've exposed it to foreign tool...

that was awesome

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Chris, that is what I am thinking. I should hope our government will not allow the ongoing harvest for export to china without requiring a certain percentage come from legitimate farming operations. Especially since snapping turtles are one of the few species our own citizens utilize and should rece...

I do keep numerous imports but it is usually more work and less certain of the end result than captive bred snakes. I have not noticed any difference being whether they are rear fanged or not other than obviously there is more urgency in removing the snake when a bite occurs. Regardless of origin th...

I wonder how they determined it takes 17 years for a snapping turtle to be sexually mature and how much sooner would they mature say in the southern USA which would seem a much more ideal place to locate farms?

I overheard someone say there is possibly a disease going around effecting humans there? Maybe it's passed on now?

Lots of good herps on both coasts, not to mention I happen to come and look often for Asia and South American posts If I strike out on all of the above, watching the fight club in news and board line are always entertaining. Forums did die but this is one of the best remaining.

Ideally, you wouldn't be alone, however 90% of the time I find I am alone when herping. Ideally, you'd have cell coverage, sadly, I rarely have signal in the places I enjoy herping. So in some cases, the results might be quite bad or at least cause significant panic that something really bad might g...

My post today is directed to Jeff, Richard, Ernie, Sam Sweet, Brian, Jimi, and Gerri (if he still reads this): I graduated less than 20 years ago. I do not know if anyone else reading this knows or cares, so I am directing this to they (those) in particular. When I was given my sheep skin (and not t...

Having met Richard, I can only say that there are few people whom I respect more. Richard does his absolute best to document, document, document, and rely on the facts to guide his decisions even when it does not line up with what his personal feelings. If only more people had that kind of commitmen...

There are different ways to look at public utilization and ensuring continued access, I think. Assuring the populations remains available for personal collection, photography, and ecological services would be included. If commercial collection is compatible with the above, then perhaps it should be ...

I think China is going to see a continued and huge surge in reptile keeping. It will probably get worse before it gets better, but I see more and more keepers there using better husbandry. They are breeding and captive hatching more animals successfully and selectively breeding which could make thos...

I think there is a genuine need for all animal people to come together and realize that some give and take could go a long way toward making sure the future is bright and that we crank out as many people who want to preserve reptiles and other animals for the future as possible exist. I also think e...

To me as a private reptile hobbyist, huge numbers are not too helpful. It's much better to have people collecting and providing high quality care for a more limited quantity of animals that fetch a higher price in my mind. When I am purchasing imported animals, I buy them from guys who bring in regu...

Sorry about the misspelling. I think some kind of a bag limit sounds reasonable to me. As far as I know, it is common to limit the collection of certain sexes during certain times of the year. Bryan, all those measures sound reasonable enough to me and I agree with your concern for deserted drift fe...

Brian, by your standard I shouldn't be able to take your fish, your deer, your oil, your gas, not even a leaf from your public land. To play devil's advocate, the land also belongs to the collectors, so why should you prevent them from using THEIR renewable resource? If you just hate the idea of peo...

Ernie, I agree with you that what their doing isn't doing any good confiscating animals that were likely on deaths doorstep), but ideally China would just allow export so no one needs to risk life searching pringles cans? agree?

I would have to believe any brown anole born in captivity was largely by chance rather than an effort to do so. I've never heard of them being used in any way except catching a bunch for use as feeders. They are barely worth a buck a piece. There is always a danger that laws will be created for some...

I am trying to think of something to compare it to. In terms of freshwater fishing, I think commercial collecting of many species would be banned. For example, I could commercially collect bait fish but not bluegill. So maybe banning commercial collecting of reptiles isn't such a stretch? Granted th...

I could go either way, personal use I certainly think should be allowed for non-endangered herps. Commercial is kind of meh, I can't really imagine banning it would hurt anything. Other than maybe some kids buying junk at a pet store, I really can't imagine there is much demand for it and anything i...

Unfortunately predictable when the Chinese cannot export that they would seek to find ways around the system. In another curiosity, I noticed quite a few adult shinglebacks in China for the past couple years. Not saying they couldn't be legit, but I do kind of wonder if some Chinese guys brought bac...

I truly believe my love of reptiles has probably been one of the most beneficial things in my life. It has encouraged me to get massive amounts of exercise that has no doubt extended my life in terms on longevity and quality. I carry out dozens, if not hundreds, of boxes of substrate each week in ad...

There's a saying I've heard, "If you won't agree you should've have purchased it and recall it at 80, you don't need it". Now, that last beer or bowl from any random night, ya I likely won't recall or really regret if I had passed it up. My degrees? It's a questionable use of money and perhaps I cou...

Hmmmm, I don't think of it even as a moral issue but the value of collecting most native species is a consideration. For the most part, a native species with any real value in keeping and breeding is already done so in moderate to large numbers or is a protected species that you cannot legally or et...

My view of herping ethics is you shouldn't waste resources, ie pickup giant rocks that you cannot control and let them fall on the inhabitants underneath them, disinfect tools between sites, and if you're too big of a baby to flip rocks with your hands, then maybe consider staying home :) I've also ...

Is it really illegal to collect a non-native species (aside from trespassing if you don't have permission)? Seems like they should call it the secretive world of collecting non-native species and hopefully not trespassing to do so or you might get shot?

As far as China goes, I will only say the number of keepers and people with a sincere interest in captive snakes is increasing. The idea that some person in China who takes snakes off the menu and sends them somewhere else as shady is more manifestation of western ethnocentrism than current reality.

I have no solutions. When I lived in St. Louis, I visited a guy who had Cobras in Illinois. Now that I live in CT, a guy down the road has eyelash vipers whom I swap mice with depending on who has more or less. Perhaps venomous is just destined to exist in the shadows kind of like so many other thin...

Sorry to beat an old, dead horse, but if I were a FL taxpayer I would be outraged at paying for some foreign guys to essentially go on a vacation and walk around looking for snakes.

Ernie, I think the difference is a native species was unavoidable and anti-venin more likely available, yes? Exotic venomous, at least to me, should be kept under very very careful attention. I don't want to encourage a witchhunt, but I do make a distinction.

Unfortunately, the habitat destruction and road building cannot be stopped. We will never regulate the human population until we are at the absolute, complete and total carrying capacity and it will largely be regulated then by death and infertility.

Jeez. Keep whatever you want for all I care, but when it starts affecting your neighbors, that's a legit problem that your neighborhood should not have to deal with. Personally, I love snakes, but I don't want to be surprised by a cobra while I am gardening!

Have any of you guys ever picked up a lady by embellishing your life list?

I've not been there but I think it will be very hot. In MO, that time is still fine for finding pit vipers in crevices but terrible for colubrids. Hope that helps, I can only assume OK will be somewhat similiar.

Serious risks can still be banned from importation at any and every state level as needed, so I don't think USFW being forced to enforce the law as written will cause any serious incidents. Salamanders are still banned from importation into the US, so the Bsal risk from Asian and European sources is...

I didn't see as many herps as I would have thought around PM either but the mammals were excellent including petting a tapir

The critical thing to understand, which 90% of humans innately do, is that reptiles are not as important as human beings. That's why 90% of the world doesn't give a frogs fat ass about stopping development or any other human activity regardless of how much harm it causes to wildlife populations. It'...

I think if someone lives in the North and they want to see lizards, they should build an outdoor cage and bring them in for the winter, definitely not release anything.

Can and will establish two different things. When you're talking about a handful of animals a single predator like a neighborhood cat or raccoon could make the difference between success and failure, and the reptiles could simply wander off. I am not convinced one way nor another whether it will suc...

My first question is whether there are any laws that would prevent you from capturing some chameleons and moving them onto your land, my second question is whether it would work, and my third question would be should it be done. I have answers to none of those things. In regards to the whole native ...

What do you guys think the risk is of field herping speeding the spread of SFD? I know personally I was all over Carlyle, Southern IL, and the Eastern half of MO including the SE cotton dens. Since I moved, I've been all over Western MO & Eastern NY, plus a few locations in CT and in various South A...

One thing I wanted to clarify if that I don't actually want anyone to go out and bag up a bunch of timbers, cut their rattles off, eat them, whatever else they may want to do with them. I just don't think it's a realistic threat. If that were the case, a lot of locations which still have timbers tod...

Kelley, that is quite possible, too. Either way this is a tragedy as someone that stupid has no hope of keeping them alive long enough for them to be recovered. A total waste and when they get caught, I certainly think they should get whatever the maximum sentence is for the senseless crime.

Most likely done by animal rights activists, I suspect they are all dead now as they have no black market value. See http://www.mystatesman.com/news/were-hu ... x5HJKnPMJ/

I think the reason people, including myself for most of my life, psychologically wanted poaching of reptiles to be a problem because it's something that could then just be fixed without any lifestyle changes. In other words, I wouldn't have to change a single thing and the problem would be done with...

Sam,

Are you still breeding these? I moved my pair down to the basement 62 ambient, 80F hotspot via heat tape. Wondering how long you left your snakes cooled and what degree of hotspot you used?