Field Herp Forum

ugh, Will and I collected one pair of pine snakes and now produce hatchlings each year. This has enabled us to donate hatchlings to some of the zoo's and educational facilities across the state, and to hopefully raise public awareness of this magnificent snake. I am glad that we collected the anima...

That is a nice asst. of TR's but I was reminded of an old post(circa '06?'07?) from you Phil, re:a Pituophis melanoleucus collected from a very rare locale in KY for the species if I recall, for a captive breeding/propagation project of yours/Will's.The way I remember it the snake was a male;what ev...

Pine woods(Rhadinea)....Never seen one gape,what's the story behind the pic?

Hardcore....damn(head shaking/very jealous)

great shot,classic.

.........I've half a mind to start one myself! And you're the perfect candidate to do it Gyri-you've got the connections to get it rolling....I'm pretty certain it'd pick up steam FAST.One taste of feral hog is all anyone would need to get on board! It's win-win all the way around. The rattlers(and...

I'd say,better yet, BUY THEIR STUFF, or get off a buck and DONATE CASH. Records aren't bad but for the most part they know what's there in the pines,as does the state. Not saying you can't submit your finds if you want, but these guys at PPA would probably prefer some additional funds, think about i...

Look at the pine snake's current range.About as fragmented as can be. But they're found on both sides of the DE watershed. That body of water hasn't always been at the same level as it is today. Look at what tidbit of habitat in DE that hasn't been converted into ag fields or beach house community,e...

Pretty cool outing,multigenerational-I like it. Gorgeous rattlers, all 3 species you represented....
I may finally be lured ALL THE WAY out west after all

Luckily I quickly got past the temptation to handle hots.Took a year or two, and the camera helped immensely.

Never been tagged. Best reason I can think of why is, I try my hardest not to give the snakes a reason to bite me.

Lol sure but at what lattitude are we talking here?

Definitely sorry to hear that happen to them.

Not sure why but this reminds me a little of what was probably the most frustrating of several dor's I saw in a little over a 24-hr period this fall on the east coast....Just a real carnage tour... Went like this:spent a good bit of the 'down time' part of a day scouting roads that seemed promising ...

Very good point, re:tongs.At the very least,they stress the hell out of a snake,instantly.Why would anyone here want that? We all know how much snakes dislike being grabbed,or restrained in particular.And of course there's the increased potential for injuring it while it's in the tongs,as was menti...

I feel it unnecessary to grab a venomous snake by it's tail because your risk of being bitten dramatically increases. I realise that most of the people on this forum are from North America, but as it still is an international forum I'd agree with your statement if you replaced 'venomous snake' with...

M.J. FRANETOVICH who's that in your avatar pic?

Something about these shots are extra sweet...Pine snakes in situ,Barred owls....Habitat restoration..... :thumb: http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx152/iand420/Herping%202011/IMG_2241.jpg http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx152/iand420/Herping%202011/IMG_1128.jpg http://i751.photobucket.com/albu...

kinda silly i know, but it will keep me off the streets for another season :lol: Bikepaths notwithstanding...... :lol: To be honest most of the acorns I saw afield(which were abundant most if not everywhere I was) would have been from last year's crop. For the most part, where I did see this year's...

Already discussed at some length in the good ole NE chapter,interesting 'subplot' re:the 'controversial' final episode here,one member wrote them a letter...
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Thanks guys but I was actually making reference to his left hand,that looks to be basically sqeezing the anterior portion of the snake's body in the surgical photo,much as one would an old tube of toothpaste....? I'm no sage veteran of snake surgical procedures but how about an operating table?A tub...

Awesome!
Wait,what are you pit tagging them for?Hope it's important.
No idea who's working the needle in your pic but I think he might have left a few ribs intact
lol

Shelly Cox wrote:

Hear Hear! Can't say I'm surprised by the fact they're just hellbent on raising their bottom line... But, what does really piss me off so much about this network,'Discovery'- is the way they so skillfully and artfully perpetrated a fraud on me and the rest of the viewing public in marketing this ima...

That wannabe laterale phase redback is maybe the nicest I've seen!
And bald eagles can definitely be frustrating.....

Marissa – please excuse this aside for a second-my intent was certainly NOT to ‘sidetrack’ from your post’.Actually though it happens frequently enough that folks oughtta be used to it right? Cole- I hear you. These justifications you named-like I said, at best I see it as preaching to the choir.Peo...

J.Easter-saw you on TV btw- it’s true she didn’t break any forum rules. And I’d never have a forum because I’m just don’t see a reason for them.Or rather,I see too many reasons not to. But can someone humor me and answer my question-how does more attention here from herpers benefit the animals;What ...

HI ugh- I dont think I mentioned the specific locale of anything besides the Pigeon Mountain salamanders (and, well, their location is in their name), and the counties of the copperheads. I never even said what county the preserve is in. I'd be happy to throw up my shots with no commentating at all...

Beautiful stuff.That being said-you sure your employer's cool with you bringing so much attention to it all- postin this stuff here,and making mention of their project's locales-let alone doing so specifically?Incredible. Seems somewhat outside the standard practice to me,and I kinda wonder what goo...

OK Pete yeh bowling is way underrated in my book....so how'd you do? But to keep with the theme- No captives here.I used to keep snakes-captive bred, because I came to have a strong oppostition to taking from wild populations.But I came to realize what I like about these animals is observing them in...

Dragon you're an idiot. And a freak. J/K, stay cool now- Interesting concept,I never really thought of that angle in relation to the exotic pet trade but there is of course no question we are mostly a society of upright lemmings-it's monkey see,monkey do.As I've said before here, the herd mentality ...

I think this 'stripe' people are seeing on it is just the light exxagerating it's musculature.The thing just got ran over and became one with the pavement, and it's likely struggling/squirming pretty hard so patternwise Coluber constrictor makes sense.....

What pattern,the snake looks completely patternless to me?

This calls for a Texas sized roundup!

Thanks Mikeyfresh well said...

rosy-man wrote:Mikes got a good point too, it really dosent matter when you post pics haters r jealous 365 days a year

Wait-what??
Yeh rosyman you nailed it-pretty sure it's all about jealousy.

Excuse me I gotta go bang my head on a frickin' wall...

Gyri wrote: I am by no means trying to argue that the study is not worth the stress to a population, just pointing out that the effects of capturing and handling timbers are not as obvious as complete abandonment of sites..

Well said.

NOT trying to disagree with you here on this point of avoidance(which has so many complexities and has probably been oversimplified a bit in recent discussions here) but a couple questions John: a)I admit I'm curious how many years' experience you are basing your thoughts from personal observation ...

My thoughts, based on observation (not stats), says that they do NOT show avoidance. However, I should qualify that we only processed during pre and post emergence, so they are traveling anyway. Each year the snakes follow roughly the same movement pattern, sometimes utilizing the same rocks or log...

Like any other herp-Trial and error?
Investment of time and effort-both in the field and in research, attn. to details.
Probably forgot to mention some things but that's a decent start!

Another perspective............. of 'This’ being,a guy sees some pics on the internet that someone worked and learned the animals well enough to be able to get the shots-and was kind enough to share them with total STRANGERS...…And the viewer- rather then dare reconsider how he sees such creatures i...

justinm wrote:The Redundancy Dept. of Redundancy called and said that there is a thread for this topic already.

Wait you mean the agency based in the foothills of the smokies?

Has it really come to this,I said 'This’ being,a guy sees some pics on the internet that someone worked and learned the animals well enough to be able to get the shots-and was kind enough to share them with total STRANGERS...…And the viewer- rather then dare reconsider how he sees such creatures in ...

GPS coordinates I can understand but can ANYONE tell me how on earth a person can ransack his reptile cache by saying his snake was seen in August? I could tell you how, but then you might ransack my reptile cache. 8-) RW LOL nice,had the same thought as I read the above question Ah who gives a f&*...

HA you're the first marine I've ever heard refer to himself as an ex-marine.They call themselves former marines and will adamantly correct anyone that uses the term 'ex-marine'....Might wanna remember that next time you play that card,lol. ;) You can send me a pm anytime you want bro and we'll go fr...

No Ty you're actually pretty bad at making your point clear,you sort of hop around all over the place. You're young,you're more than a little flippant/cocky but admitedly your ass did get jumped on from the word go here but you just ask for it and keep on digging,lol. Btw 'roadkill' I'd take my chan...

My bad-I don't know where you live but chances are I've been to that state and seen timbers....And yes by that you could probably deduce that I've been there-even in person! And don't be so confident in being able to get away scot free.For one thing,people talk.and tak and talk and talk.There's eyes...

wow, really, I know I am new here, but come on. I apply for my permit, head up to the mountain and kill my rattlesnake nice and legal. and you guys are in an uproar about him asking for a spot. why don't you get off your arses and get that outdated hunting law off the books if the rattelsnakes are ...

I agree with Chris,the kid's here so deal with it. I wanted to take this approach but got pissed off,lol. And yes for damn sure,beware of all the honorable-sounding alterior motives people will hide behind to justify their exploitation of these snakes-e.g.,'education'.....'research'....etc. Heck I'm...

Neogene diversification and taxonomic stability in the snake tribe Lampropeltini,Pyron and Burbrink '09

I misspoke,it doesn't really get into/adress relationship at the subspecific level.

dragoncjo wrote:Also Jeff, its interesting to see your tone change when the subject is your backyard. You sound like me when people mention something where I live.....hah.

That's funny you mention this, I noticed that immediately and thought that was pretty stunning too,lol.

I always imagined her as a very giving person

Thanks,no this one included the entire subfamily.I'll have to look it up tommorow i guess.