Concrete = rock or AC?

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Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by Nature Nate » March 8th, 2012, 11:13 pm

Well? When I flip something under a piece of dumped concrete/brick/tile is it considered a rock or artificial cover when I enter it in the record's slot for "Method?"

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by DMong » March 8th, 2012, 11:35 pm

Nature Nate wrote:Well? When I flip something under a piece of dumped concrete/brick/tile is it considered a rock or artificial cover when I enter it in the record's slot for "Method?"
Artificial cover.

Nothing "natural" about someone dumping those building materials. The only thing those building materials have in common with a "rock" are some of their crushed-up ingredients :)


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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by chrish » March 9th, 2012, 11:03 am

Agreed, if a piece of cover isn't actually part of the naturally occurring ecosystem, it is AC.

I flipped a snake under this cow-made cover.....is it AC?

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Post by DMong » March 9th, 2012, 12:05 pm

HAHAA!!,..too funny man :lol:

What an unsuspecting place to hide!...........nice N. r. rhombifer :beer:


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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by Don Becker » March 9th, 2012, 2:03 pm

Lined snakes seem to really like hiding under cow pies in Kansas. I think I put it as AC.

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by FunkyRes » March 11th, 2012, 3:08 am

Cow pies can be dangerous. In scouts, we were intentionally stepping on dried cow pies during a hike just so we could make jokes about all the shit we had to walk through. Then we ran into some that were only dry on the outside.

Fortunately others hit them before I did.

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by Mike VanValen » March 11th, 2012, 8:22 pm

Cow pies aren't artificial. They're 100% natural.

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by Don Becker » March 12th, 2012, 4:36 am

We probably need an option for "Other natural cover" then :P

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by DMong » March 12th, 2012, 8:47 am

Mike VanValen wrote:Cow pies aren't artificial. They're 100% natural.
With the exception of a few possible man-made additives (depending on the farmer) :lol:


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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by herpseeker1978 » March 12th, 2012, 1:44 pm

Mike VanValen wrote:Cow pies aren't artificial. They're 100% natural.
They are natural, but cows are not naturally in the area, so it would technically artificial cover.

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by KingCam » March 12th, 2012, 1:47 pm

herpseeker1978 wrote:
Mike VanValen wrote:Cow pies aren't artificial. They're 100% natural.
They are natural, but cows are not naturally in the area, so it would technically artificial cover.
Invasive cover! ZOMG!!! Down with the cows!!! :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes:

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by jonathan » March 13th, 2012, 11:12 am

chrish wrote:I flipped a snake under this cow-made cover.....is it AC?
I listed the cowpie sharptail I flipped under "debris flipping".

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herpseeker1978 wrote:They are natural, but cows are not naturally in the area, so it would technically artificial cover.
So if I find an alligator lizard under a eucalyptus log in California, I list that under AC too, becaues eucalyptus isn't naturally in the area?

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by Fundad » March 13th, 2012, 12:53 pm

Concrete, Eucalyptus, cow pies, Styrofoam, cardboard, paper, couch, etc get listed by me as "debris flipping".

I only list AC if the item was placed intentionally..

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by chrish » March 13th, 2012, 11:06 pm

jonathan wrote:
herpseeker1978 wrote:They are natural, but cows are not naturally in the area, so it would technically artificial cover.
So if I find an alligator lizard under a eucalyptus log in California, I list that under AC too, becaues eucalyptus isn't naturally in the area?
Then the folks in southern FL are screwed. What can they flip that is naturally occuring down there anymore?

If the cover isn't part of the natural environment (rocks in places with no rocks, etc), it is artificial.

That does beg the question, when is it AC and when is it debris?
If you are digging through palm fronds under a naturally occurring palm tree, is that debris or natural cover?

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by jonathan » March 13th, 2012, 11:14 pm

chrish wrote:That does beg the question, when is it AC and when is it debris?
If you are digging through palm fronds under a naturally occurring palm tree, is that debris or natural cover?
I use "debris" to mean "random stuff that isn't a log, rock, or AC". And I count all man-made stuff as "AC".

So for me, debris is cow pies, leaves, moss, stick piles (if it's not hiding under an individual log), gravel, etc. I would count palm fronds as debris, under the branch of the frond was so big that the herp was hiding under the branch alone as if it were a log.

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Re: Concrete = rock or AC?

Post by socalherper » May 4th, 2012, 11:29 am

My opinion on the question:

Concrete is not natural it is artificial (man made) therefore it is AC Artificial Cover.

Also boards as well as tins and trash are AC.

Natural cover would be : Rocks, logs and brush ect.

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