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 Post subject: Looking for feedback on Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecology
PostPosted: January 25th, 2011, 2:38 pm 
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I have seen this book numerous times and was seeing if anybody has read it or not. Or if there is a better book on Garter snakes, what is it?

The book I am referring to is Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecology by Douglas A. Rossman, Neil B. Ford, and Richard A. Seigel.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for feedback on Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecol
PostPosted: January 25th, 2011, 9:58 pm 

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It's really the only show in town for that group of snakes, and an essential reference if you are interested in them.


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PostPosted: January 26th, 2011, 8:30 am 
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I second that response - it's an essential for anyone interested in North American Natricines. Seigel, Ford and Rossman are top names in Thamnophis ecology. North American Watersnakes: A Natural History by Gibbons and Dorcas is also a good reference to have around. It's essentially a companion volume to the Garter Snakes book.

-Cole


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PostPosted: January 26th, 2011, 1:44 pm 
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There's a German book, Die Strumpfbandnattern. I can't remember the author's name right now. I sent him a bunch of color slides for use but received neither the slides nor a promised copy of the book in return.

The Rossman et al book remains The One. I was a graduate student of Rossman when he was working on it, and he allowed me some input, slides were returned, etc. The product has some problems -- the overly generous margins for example. I estimated that by using standard page margins would have saved something like 32 pages. Also, the Literature Cited is full of errors -- A paper in a behavior journal published by the Netherlands publishing company Brill is cited with E. J. Brill as the author. About one in eight citations has errors.


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PostPosted: January 26th, 2011, 9:01 pm 
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Thanks for the input, I see it is pretty cheap on Amazon so I am going to get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for feedback on Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecol
PostPosted: January 26th, 2011, 10:59 pm 

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Jeff:

Here's a link to that German book...looks pretty cheap. You can see how your slides came out :)

http://www.reptilica.co.uk/Draco-25-Str ... 0%29.phtml

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PostPosted: January 27th, 2011, 11:28 pm 

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I think it's a great book and essential reference for Thamnophis. That said, I'd love to see a new edition, as T. s. tetrataenia was only temporarily up for being synonymized with T. s. infernalis. Also, certain sp. accounts could use some beefing up as well. For example, there is a lot more known about the life history and ecology of T. gigas now than when the book was being written.


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PostPosted: January 28th, 2011, 9:28 am 
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Excellent book, I pull it off the shelf frequently.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for feedback on Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecol
PostPosted: January 28th, 2011, 3:45 pm 
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I have it too. Its very thorough.


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