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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 3:33 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: my california tiger salamander
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 4:00 pm 
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If these things are endangered or protected, isn't it illegal to hold them and even take them home for a pet? You're new, I'm sure you'll learn this stuff soon enough. They are neat looking salamanders, though. :thumb: But on second thought, if its an introduced Tiger Sally, its probably just fine. I can't tell the two apart.


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 Post subject: Re: my california tiger salamander
PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:46 pm 
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That looks like a California Tiger to me.
Not that I'm an expert.


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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:49 pm 

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Probably depend on if they were protected when they collected them (I don't know) Either way...by law, can't be returned to the wild. Don't really know what else to say, so I'll let others, more informed than I chime in.
BTW, welcome to the forum... :thumb: jim


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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:58 pm 
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enj - That is a California Tiger Salamander. They're a protected species. You can get in big trouble for having them fellers. Can't say I know what you should do with it, because possession AND release are both prohibited. Anyone know what the best course of action for enj is?


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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 6:03 pm 
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This species has been federally protected for some time now, and just recently state protected. If I was the original poster, I would remove this post as this is breaking the law.



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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 6:19 pm 
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I am an expert and yes, to the OP. Owning that animal is a FELONY and you are in a bit of a spot. FYI, take of an endangered species is punishable by up to a year in prison and a $50,000 fine. It does not matter when it was collected, although for the record, for the entire time you've owned it, it has been listed on the ESA. I am not an attorney, but be advised that the authorities do look at this site.


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 9:06 am 

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Even if that sally came into the possession of F&G... they would destroy it, rather than return it to the wild. The only alternative I can see is find someone who does reptile/amphibian talks, and has a 'salvage license' with F&G. The sally could then be used for educational purposes, rather than be destroyed. Perhaps the person doing the upcoming sally talk in Santa Cruz could help? jim


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 1:04 pm 
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hellihooks wrote:
Even if that sally came into the possession of F&G... they would destroy it, rather than return it to the wild. The only alternative I can see is find someone who does reptile/amphibian talks, and has a 'salvage license' with F&G. The sally could then be used for educational purposes, rather than be destroyed. Perhaps the person doing the upcoming sally talk in Santa Cruz could help? jim


That's what I was thinking. It might make a nice addition to a natural history museum, especially since the specimen has demonstrated ability to thrive in captivity.

What I would do is call DF&G from a pay phone, explain the situation, and ask if there is a way to coordinate a donation to a natural history museum without being charged with anything.

From the original deleted post, it sounds like the person posting is a minor and that it likely was collected by a minor in ignorance of the law.

I suspect the DF&G is willing to have leniency in that case as long as he is expressing an effort to make things right and desire to follow the law in the future. But I would call them from a payphone to discuss it.

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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 1:31 pm 
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FunkyRes wrote:
What I would do is call DF&G from a pay phone...

:lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 1:57 pm 
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Ross Padilla wrote:
FunkyRes wrote:
What I would do is call DF&G from a pay phone...

:lol: :lol:


They still have them at BART stations and there's a BART station in Fremont.

At least I think they still have them at BART stations ...


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 2:23 pm 
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Yeah, don't see them much anymore. The funny part was making the call untraceable. Don't know why, but that cracks me up. :thumb:


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Ross Padilla wrote:
Yeah, don't see them much anymore. The funny part was making the call untraceable. Don't know why, but that cracks me up. :thumb:


I called from my cell phone once to report a non commercial native herp and the connection was dropped. Figuring I was in bad reception area, I decided to call later. A few minutes later, my phone rang, it was DF&G.


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2012, 3:48 pm 
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Then you're right, the pay phone would be the best option for enj when calling about something like this. That way if they start yelling at him or threaten to punish him, he can just drop the phone and run. :lol:


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