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AZ Mystery Snake?

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This guy was spotted getting a drink from a pool in Tucson, AZ. What is it?

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Blotched water snake?

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Looks photoshopped...?

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A very dark Emory's Rat Snake or corn snake? Because of the checkered venter and the loaf of bread appearance of the body.

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I was thinking the pattern resembled that of Nerodia, but it seems like it would have entered the pool rather than just drinking from it. The head also looks more lampropeltine than natricine, IMO. I think Desert King is a closer match, but the pattern is all wrong.

Re Photoshopping: Looking at the person's photostream, I don't think they would do that. They seem to just enjoy taking photos of reptiles and other animals they found around their house (though some of their herp IDs aren't quite correct).

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I'm thinking a "misplaced"/escaped/released Pantherophis based on body and head shape.

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No expert, but king snake was the first thing that came to mind.

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Looks like splendida to me.

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There are other photos of the snake on their page as well. Certainly looks like a king.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/desertkakem/6960921551/

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Oh cool, those photos hadn't been uploaded yet when I made this thread. Definitely a king - splendida/nigrita intergrade?

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I blew up the photo on a program as well as brightened it up a whole bunch more, and it is extremely pixilated and poor the more it is enlarged, and as odd as it sounds, it does look to be a VERY fugly two or three-way very melanized intergrade splendida x californiae x nigrita. The snout is very typical and flecked, and it also has the rounded circles of splendida along the dorsum. It doesn't display the "sockhead" feature I would quite expect, but oh well..LOL! Also, Tuscon and the adjacent nereby areas are where these two and three-way natural subspecific crosses often converge in varying percentages and phenotypes as well.

I very firmly believe that nigrita is simply a melanistic clinal variant form of splendida anyway. When many juvenile nigrita display a pattern before they undergo their gradual ontogenetic change, it is absolutely IDENTICAL to L.g.splendida in every single tiny meristic feature there is.............carbon copies!


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Agreed. That's just a partially melanistic kingsnake. Not too unusual in southern AZ.

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After Stohlgren found and posted that additional photo I agree...definately a southeastern Arizona splendida.

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Agreed on the king ID. Kings in the Tucson area can have pretty muddied patterns.

However, that one does a surprisingly good Nerodia impersonation. ;)

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Without even zooming in or close inspection it looks like the hungry kings that greet me on feeding day. That head on view is distinct to me.

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Stohlgren wrote:There are other photos of the snake on their page as well. Certainly looks like a king.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/desertkakem/6960921551/

HAHA!!,........yeah, now if THAT photo would have been included in the original post, even Ray Charles could have ID'd it as a dark splendida phenotype king. :lol:


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I think someone on this thread has been eating paint chips :idea:

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It's a very mature 'sockhead' splendida. They get dark like that as they age.

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Guess there's no need for me to comment... :lol:

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klawnskale wrote:It's a very mature 'sockhead' splendida. They get dark like that as they age.
Say what? :shock:

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They do get darker as they age...but that one is also from a 3-way intergrade zone.

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But do they totally turn to mud? ...that thing oughta be over in the "Ugliest Herp" thread.

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It's from an intergrade zone...probably has some nigrita in it...but they vary a lot in that area. Not all splendida get dark with age, but some do, especially around Tucson.

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