Has any one have experience finding lyre snakes?

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Has any one have experience finding lyre snakes?

Post by repaphin » June 4th, 2012, 6:33 pm

They seem near impossible to find. Are they rare?

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Post by Fundad » June 4th, 2012, 6:35 pm

No they are not rare, just hard to find.. You really don't go out to find lyres much, they just find you..

Spend time in their habitat, and you'll soon see one..

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Post by repaphin » June 4th, 2012, 7:12 pm

thanks. i just always hear people talking about lyres and long nose snakes and i can never seem to find any :|

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Post by Fundad » June 4th, 2012, 7:17 pm

If you Keep at it young man, your lyre and long nose will come soon.

Especially when you start night driving..

Patience, Persistence, and Effort are the real keys to being a terrific herper and finding your goals.

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Re: Has any one have experience finding lyre snakes?

Post by repaphin » June 4th, 2012, 7:51 pm

thanks, i went to the desert today to look for some, no luck only 2 lizards :?

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Post by reako45 » June 6th, 2012, 5:32 pm

Nothing else to add here, except that Fundad's absolutely right. After 2-3 years of searching and finding only DOR Lyres, saw my first 2 live @ last years ARC cruisin & walkin the rocks w/ Danny (Speckled Rosy) & Judson (Isaac Duran... there when I saw the 2nd one found by Danny). Unforgetable experience! Keep hunting and keep your eyes open.
Longnose snakes can be quite prolific in their territory. I find them now alot when I'm looking for something else. Happy herping.

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Post by Kent VanSooy » June 6th, 2012, 5:40 pm

I remember that Darren! You were FIRED UP !! Gave us a boost too.

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Post by billboard » June 7th, 2012, 5:33 am

I want a lyre; and I want it now!!!
Oh wait;
I just saw one .
Hazpat has seen over 20 this season, all as he has been out searching for a more elusive creature.
Brian,
I know of a spot or two where one can target lyres; and I'm sure you do also.
Well keep those to ourselves though.

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Post by Speckled Rosy » June 7th, 2012, 9:55 am

If your already finding boas, you don't need to change anything.. You'll eventually find one.

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Post by FunkyRes » June 7th, 2012, 12:15 pm

Dumb question - is Lyre pronounced like liar?

I've always assumed it was, but I can't recall ever hearing a bonafide herpetologist pronounce it.

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Post by billboard » June 7th, 2012, 12:21 pm

YES.

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Post by Fundad » June 7th, 2012, 12:24 pm

The worst part of it, you can't trust what they tell you either.. :lol: ;)

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Post by Biker Dave » June 7th, 2012, 12:27 pm

I think its pronounced "LAR"

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Post by hellihooks » June 7th, 2012, 1:42 pm

It's named for the pattern on it's head/neck... which resembles the ancient Greek stringed instrument called a Lyre... so... however that's pronounced... it all greek to me... :roll: :D jim

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Post by FunkyRes » June 7th, 2012, 2:41 pm

If it's for the instrument -
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lyre

pronounces it like liar.

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Post by Biker Dave » June 7th, 2012, 3:17 pm

No! Its LAR! ... as in "you not telling the truth you a lar!"
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Re: Has any one have experience finding lyre snakes?

Post by Squam8 » June 8th, 2012, 8:09 am

Lyres like the same habitat as rosy boas. You can find them in rock cracks during the early season, now night driving is your best bet. I would start with localityrosys.com and if you look in those places enough you should eventually find one. Good luck.

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Post by socalherper » June 8th, 2012, 11:10 am

Just put in the time in the evening this time of year. Look in those cracks. When it get's even hotter you can road cruise one.

Fundads right they usually find you...

This one found me.

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Post by Fieldnotes » June 8th, 2012, 1:19 pm

socalherper wrote:When it gets even hotter you can road cruise one.

You want it hotter than it is now.. only joking :beer:

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Post by repaphin » June 8th, 2012, 1:33 pm

can you still find them in cracks? that seems the easiest way to look for them.

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Post by billboard » June 12th, 2012, 7:50 am

See; he wants it easy. Go find one.

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Post by Fundad » June 12th, 2012, 8:19 am

Bill I even PM him with the general time of year, I guess he doesn't think I know what I am talking about.. :lol: :crazyeyes:

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Post by Squam8 » June 12th, 2012, 8:30 am

repaphin wrote:can you still find them in cracks? that seems the easiest way to look for them.
If you think hiking up the hillsides, looking in countless cracks is easier than sitting in your car, sipping soda and listening to music...

Not saying you can't find a lyre in a crack at this time of year, but for the most part, snakes have dispersed all over the place.

I've also found them walking trails in the evening through very rocky habitat.

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Post by jonathan » June 12th, 2012, 9:32 am

Both of the lyres I found were while road-cruising rocky canyons. One of them was the only snake I saw that night, and actually the only snake I've ever seen on that road during two nights cruising it.

I'd really love to find one in a crack some day.

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Post by Mike Waters » June 12th, 2012, 1:58 pm

I have seen a few while hiking in the daytime when it is over 105°. Only seen a couple at :? night

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Post by hellihooks » June 12th, 2012, 2:11 pm

i have yet to find one in a crack... and I'm a frigging Crack Addict... :crazyeyes: Then again... all my Lyres have been hi-desert, where nothing is a plentiful as in the low desert. Three road cruised, and one flipped under AC... :shock: :D jim

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Post by Fundad » June 12th, 2012, 4:39 pm

where nothing is a plentiful as in the low desert.
I disagree.. Wholeheartedly.. :lol:

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Post by hellihooks » June 12th, 2012, 5:02 pm

Fundad wrote:
where nothing is a plentiful as in the low desert.
I disagree.. Wholeheartedly.. :lol:

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Are you saying the Mojave supports as much life as say.. the Sonoran? That's a bet I'll take. :roll: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Fundad » June 12th, 2012, 5:53 pm

Haha. no Sonoran wins hands down, but Cali true low desert loses hands down.

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Post by Ross Padilla » June 12th, 2012, 8:32 pm

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Post by jonathan » June 12th, 2012, 8:39 pm

Chrome's "find" function would make that less fun....

Never mind, it didn't work.

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Post by monklet » June 12th, 2012, 8:40 pm

Yes i did, in about 15 seconds.

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Post by repaphin » June 12th, 2012, 8:55 pm

i cant seem to find any roads that are cruisable. all way to busy and not in prime habitat :roll:

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Post by Ross Padilla » June 12th, 2012, 9:03 pm

I found it in about 4 seconds on facebook, but the whole picture was a little smaller, making it easier to scan.

repaphin- Email Fundad for roads in your area. :lol:

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Post by Fundad » June 12th, 2012, 9:15 pm

I would actually help him... But he wouldnt listen..

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Post by Ross Padilla » June 12th, 2012, 10:14 pm

I know, and I can't think of a better person to get advise from.

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Post by Jeff Teel » June 12th, 2012, 11:28 pm

I agree with Fundad Jim, true low des is harder to find stuff than the high des of cali. I spend a lot of time in the low des and don't find much. The other night was my first night all year in the high des and one of the snakes was a trimorph.
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Post by hellihooks » June 13th, 2012, 5:11 am

When I said low-desert... I basically meant PS area... as in the 'down the hill deserts' What do you guys mean by 'true' low desert... Imperial Co? Remind me not to go... :lol: :lol:
Mojave's OK.. but there definently more productive deserts around... :shock:
Jeff... was your trimorph kinda on the way down to the Mojave? friend of mine's found 2 DOR's in the exact same spot, a year apart. jim

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Post by Fundad » June 13th, 2012, 5:28 am

When I said low-desert...
I think your referring to the Coastal/Desert Interface Areas, yeah the ocean is powerful and life giving even way out there..

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Post by hellihooks » June 13th, 2012, 6:07 am

One night, in the PS area... I cruised 17 adult glossys... saw like 30 snakes that night. Probably the most snakes in one night in the Mojave was with you, Brian... what did we see... 12 snakes, 7 Ssps?
you can see bout all the same stuff in the Mojave... just not as much... unless you know exactly where to go and when. get it wrong... pretty easy to get skunked... PS area... hard NOT to see something... :shock: :lol: :lol: jim

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Post by Fundad » June 13th, 2012, 6:25 am

What I am "trying" to tell you is thats NOT total/true desert out there..

BTW best boa nights come from the Mojave, and you can have some truly epic nights/days up there, which is next to impossible in the true low desert..

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Post by socalherper » June 13th, 2012, 12:07 pm

Field notes he is in Temecula and on the date he posted it had been a cool week. I live in So Cal. and I am familiar with his area. I posted in the now, realtime, current conditions.


It seems as though repapin needs to get out there and figure things out himself.

Lyres are not tough to find you live in a place where they are prevelant.

check out Fieldnotes website it has some great info.

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Post by hellihooks » June 13th, 2012, 3:43 pm

Fundad wrote:What I am "trying" to tell you is thats NOT total/true desert out there..

BTW best boa nights come from the Mojave, and you can have some truly epic nights/days up there, which is next to impossible in the true low desert..

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yeah.. I get it... Hell... I LIVE in a major transition zone Helli's 1 mile south of me... scutes/specks/winders a few miles north... Coastal HL's/Yellowback Spinys IN my backyard. And every hill and Mt I CAN SEE, from my house has rosys... Mt Coastals/intergrades/deserts... 360 degrees... every direction I look has cool and different rosys.... all within a 10-30 min drive... :D Like you say... just a matter of knowing where and when... :crazyeyes: I GUESS I'll stay put... :crazyeyes: :D jim

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Post by billboard » June 13th, 2012, 7:19 pm

young newby kids want to collect.

Go look for stuff; and you'll find it.

What a spoiled punk I would still be today if somebody gave me everything I asked for yesterday.


I found it in 10 seconds Ross.

And nobody told me where to look either!

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Post by Ross Padilla » June 13th, 2012, 7:26 pm

billboard wrote:And nobody told me where to look either!
:lol: :thumb: That's a good time.

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Post by Fundad » June 13th, 2012, 7:35 pm

One of the things that Bill and I (and other successful herpers)have in common is we both bust are rear ends in the field...

Nothing is easy and there are no MAGIC bullets.. Effort Effort Effort is the only thing brings
results...

Bill and I usually turn more rock, boards, etc then even rookies (we also put them back GOOD). We hike to the top of the hill, we go over the next ridge, We hit one more spot, we start the day early and end it late.. We don't take no as an answer willingly, without a fight..

HUNTING HARD IS THE KEY TO FINDING YOUR TARGETS.

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PS of all the advice and help I have EVER given, the above is the best of it..

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Post by billboard » June 13th, 2012, 7:45 pm

Fundad once told me not to tell anybody anything; about finding snakes. Because when you do, it almost always comes back to bite you. Remember that Brian? The thing is, I know both of us are still teaching people. The key is to be selective with who you help. Private messages with a few pointers seem like the best way to go. Please people, do not name spots or roads on the world wide web. It IS a small world after all.........


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Re: Has any one have experience finding lyre snakes?

Post by repaphin » June 13th, 2012, 8:06 pm

whos spoiled? i hike for miles all day long, i climb canyons and get skunked every time. i try when its raining, when its night, when conditions seems right and i get skunked. i was just asking if they were common.

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