RFI: Indigos or Cribos eating Raccoons
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RFI: Indigos or Cribos eating Raccoons
I'm sure Drymarchon occasionally take newborn Procyon, but has anyone seen it happen or know of an account in the literature?
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Idk if they can take something that big, but definally newborn coons for adults. Indigos and cribos can't unhinge their jaws. Their prey is anything they can fit in their mouth.
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Jason, not to be contrary where you may have local knowledge, but I have to be skeptical. I keep 10 easterns, and even the impessivley large males just don't eat large items, at least not nearly so large as a comparable body massed Boa or Python or Viper might. It has taken me a long time to learn/accept this. In fact, they eat large numbers of smallish items. Now maybe a really tiny southern raccoon might work out, but not our big and robust NW 'coons. My 7 ft. and stout males can not eat a jumbo rat, and a large adult bull frog or adult coturnix quail is not easy... I saw Alan B's photos of a huge D.c. rubidus cribo ingesting a fetal pig once, but that was an exception and that prey is conveniently shaped for swallowing. I also observe that indigos often ingest items in the least convenient way, often taking them backwards, upside down, sideways, wing first, etc. This suggests to me they are used to eating relatively small items. I would think most raccoons, especially with an attentive mother would be a formidable challenge for an indigo to prey on.
They really do seem well adapted to eating snakes, which they do with "gusto" and even then, often take them other ways besides head first. I love my indigos, but I am not convinced of their reputed " superior intelligence"...but that is another topic. I think raccoons down south have more to fear from Burmese pythons and 'gators at the water hole... Vic
They really do seem well adapted to eating snakes, which they do with "gusto" and even then, often take them other ways besides head first. I love my indigos, but I am not convinced of their reputed " superior intelligence"...but that is another topic. I think raccoons down south have more to fear from Burmese pythons and 'gators at the water hole... Vic
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How old was the hog??? And was the cribbo about the size of an annaconda??VICtort wrote:Jason, not to be contrary where you may have local knowledge, but I have to be skeptical. I keep 10 easterns, and even the impessivley large males just don't eat large items, at least not nearly so large as a comparable body massed Boa or Python or Viper might. It has taken me a long time to learn/accept this. In fact, they eat large numbers of smallish items. Now maybe a really tiny southern raccoon might work out, but not our big and robust NW 'coons. My 7 ft. and stout males can not eat a jumbo rat, and a large adult bull frog or adult coturnix quail is not easy... I saw Alan B's photos of a huge D.c. rubidus cribo ingesting a fetal pig once, but that was an exception and that prey is conveniently shaped for swallowing. I also observe that indigos often ingest items in the least convenient way, often taking them backwards, upside down, sideways, wing first, etc. This suggests to me they are used to eating relatively small items. I would think most raccoons, especially with an attentive mother would be a formidable challenge for an indigo to prey on.
They really do seem well adapted to eating snakes, which they do with "gusto" and even then, often take them other ways besides head first. I love my indigos, but I am not convinced of their reputed " superior intelligence"...but that is another topic. I think raccoons down south have more to fear from Burmese pythons and 'gators at the water hole... Vic
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Dery - he said it was a fetal hog.
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Right still pretty difficult if the mother's around.Josh Holbrook wrote:Dery - he said it was a fetal hog.
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An interesting thought to entertain. A quick search of "Drymarchon" and "Procyon" in the zoological record database did not reveal any records.
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which zoological database??
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Hey, JB,
You've probably seen this by now, but if you haven't:
http://www.oriannesociety.org/sites/def ... 0Snake.pdf
I see no mention of Ranger Rick.
You've probably seen this by now, but if you haven't:
http://www.oriannesociety.org/sites/def ... 0Snake.pdf
I see no mention of Ranger Rick.
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man, whoever did the names was following some weird guide.
"North American Racer"
"Red-bellied Mudsnake"
"Red cornsnake"
"North American Racer"
"Red-bellied Mudsnake"
"Red cornsnake"
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The mother would have to be around. In fact all around the snake as it slithered into the womb to eat the fetal pig... or... more likely it was a fetal pig that was harvested from the slaughtered mother, commonly use in biology dissections.dery wrote: Right still pretty difficult if the mother's around.
I would call CNAH weird before the SSAR...Kevin Messenger wrote:man, whoever did the names was following some weird guide.
"North American Racer"
"Red-bellied Mudsnake"
"Red cornsnake"
Andy
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Definitely. I didn't look up to see who they were using. You aren't trying to say they were using SSAR were you? Those names are just ridiculous. I'm hoping they were following CNAHAndy Avram wrote: I would call CNAH weird before the SSAR...
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It is SSAR.
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what the hell.... well that's disappointing to hear. I'll try my best to swallow those names
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Yeah, but at least they keep in check some of the wacky splits CNAH recognizes. I am not a fan of making everyhting that ends with "snake" one word... "cornsnake", "gartersnake", etc... And as far as North American Racer and Red-bellied Mudsnake, those are just the species names, the subspecies names are the same as we would normally use.
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gotcha, that makes it a bit better
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Re: RFI: Indigos or Cribos eating Raccoons
The same can really be said about all snakes.dery wrote:Indigos and cribos can't unhinge their jaws.
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Wait, I thought constricting snakes such as rats, boas, and pythons had more flexable jaws.
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Flexible, yes. Unhinging? Not quite.