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I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by MuayThaipan » April 20th, 2013, 4:58 pm

Something I would have said was impossible before yesterday!
Timber rattlerXCopperhead cross.
Not my photo.
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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Daryl Eby » April 20th, 2013, 5:26 pm

It certainly looks different, but what makes you think it is a cross? Are you able to disclose any details?

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Post by MuayThaipan » April 20th, 2013, 6:57 pm

I'll tell you what I know. Tom Crutchfield posted it on Facebook, then a guy that had seen the snake said it was in fact a cross and the only resultant offspring of the pairing. It has no rattle but a short stubby tail. This is the extant of my knowledge on this specimen.

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Post by Daryl Eby » April 21st, 2013, 5:16 am

Thanks for the update. Lots of crazy and unlikely hybrids have been produced in captivity. So ... I would not rule it out.

I'll remain skeptical, but curious, until more details and photos surface.

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Post by VanAR » April 21st, 2013, 1:43 pm

Harry Greene has had one of these for years. Apparently it rattles its tail vertically even though it has no rattles.

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Post by Coluber Constrictor » April 21st, 2013, 1:57 pm

Are there any better photos of it?

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Reptiluvr » April 22nd, 2013, 7:02 am

Someone better lump those two species now ;-)

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Andrew G » April 22nd, 2013, 7:50 am

Very interesting. I would be interested in learning more or seeing any additional pictures of this snake.

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Chris Smith » April 22nd, 2013, 12:43 pm

More photos would be cool. As others have stated, strange things are created in captivity...

-Chris

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Fieldnotes » April 22nd, 2013, 12:53 pm

Im not seeing a rattler, could it just be a cool looking Copperhead.

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by justinm » April 22nd, 2013, 12:58 pm

There supposedly is a pickled Timber x Massassauga in Iowa. It's still legend and hearsay, but I've heard about it a few times.

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Re: I Diddnt think this was possible.

Post by Chris Smith » April 22nd, 2013, 3:02 pm

justinm wrote:There supposedly is a pickled Timber x Massassauga in Iowa. It's still legend and hearsay, but I've heard about it a few times.
This is published. E-mail me and I can send the paper (with a couple photos).

BAILEY, R. M. 1942. An intergeneric hybrid rattlesnake. American Naturalist 76:376–385.

Naturally occurring intergeneric hybrid snakes are very rare.

-Chris

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