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Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Dell Despain » April 27th, 2013, 2:36 pm

A little early up here for good herping yet, but Cole Grover and I talked all winter about looking for Montana Tailed Frogs Ascaphus montanus, and Idaho Giant Salamanders, Dicamptodon aterrimus. I got an opportunity to go to Missoula and trout fish w/ a friend and took a day to look for the two above mentioned herps.
Sorry Cole.

Both these herps like fast aerated water. Here is the creek I chose to herp.
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The frog showed up after donning waders, and 30 minutes of rolling river rock and logs.
Rocky Mountain Tailed Frog, Ascaphus montanus.
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It took about an hour to find another one. ♀
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Shortly after the female was found I turned a large rock in fast water to find a tadpole. It amazed me how much suction power this little tad had in it, but I guess they have to hold on in fast water.
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Rolled a Golden Stone which will be an important food source for trout in the up coming months.
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Fishing the Blackfoot river, it snowed most the day but fishing was good. This photo came off my cell phone, it was to cold to dig out a better camera.
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Missed seeing the salamander, but the that gives me one more trip back to Missoula to look forward to.

Not the worlds biggest post but thats what I've got.

I'll leave you with a parting shot of the tailed appendage.
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-Dell

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Neil M » April 28th, 2013, 8:12 am

Very cool post! Hey i'm from california but will be moving to missoula for college next fall! How's the herping up there? Maybe I can pm to ask a couple questions??

Thanks,
Neil

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Cole Grover » April 28th, 2013, 9:06 am

Sweet critters, buddy. Wish I could have joined you! Next time... next time.

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Dell Despain » April 28th, 2013, 9:53 am

Neil M wrote: moving to missoula for college next fall! How's the herping up there? Maybe I can pm to ask a couple questions??
Hi Neil, I absolutely love Missoula, and you're going to have a great time there. It's a great campus, and if you like the outdoors you really couldn't ask for a better place to be.
With that said I think the herping is fairly weak. Not much for snakes, really. The Caudata hunting is pretty good for a couple of interesting species.
The Long toed salamander, and Coeur d'Alene salamander, being two of interest to me at least.
The Northern Alligator Lizard is one I'd like to try and find one day, and the Western Skinks are very cool. You have great Rubber boa habitat around Missoula, but after that you really need to come east for more interesting snakes, and turtles in Montana. In my humble opinion.

Feel free to drop me a pm.

I'll leave you w/ a couple of reasons to come east to Billings. ;)
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-Dell

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by ThatFrogGuy » April 28th, 2013, 10:36 am

Awesome find! At the top of my list whenever I head West.

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by yolodave » April 28th, 2013, 1:36 pm

Cool post. Great shot of the tadpole.

Dave

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Todd Pierson » April 28th, 2013, 2:00 pm

Oooh! One of my favorite posts on here.

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Post by Zach_Lim » April 28th, 2013, 2:25 pm

Neil M wrote:Very cool post! Hey i'm from california but will be moving to missoula for college next fall! How's the herping up there? Maybe I can pm to ask a couple questions??

Thanks,
Neil
I would like to drop in a vouch for Neil.

Great guy and respectable herper,

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Tim Borski » April 29th, 2013, 1:42 pm

The upside down tadpole is a really cool shot, as it the Golden stone. You shoulda' brought Cole, (he would've found that slimey lizard-thing.)

:thumb: :thumb:

Tim

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Jeff » April 29th, 2013, 4:16 pm

I lived up there during the 1980s, and was poor enough at finding Ascaphus that they got my attention whenever I found one. I believe there remain 0 records for Dicamptodon in Montana --- go to Idaho to see one.

I was in Billings last month. My brother-in-law lives there but we were just passing through, so just made a pit stop at restaurant/casino/gas station. There was a busload of Crow kids (10-11 year old range) who were utterly fascinated by the hand dryers in the men's room. My Mother said they were crawling under her stall in the women's room. They seemed easily entertained, and would probably make good snake/Dicamptodon seekers.

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Cole Grover » April 29th, 2013, 6:05 pm

Jeff,
Dell is out of town for the week with work, so I will chime in for him. There are multiple Dicomp records for the state, now... it's a goal to find them in more than a handful of streams at this point.

I suspect the gas station you were at was a Town Pump right off of I-90?

Tim,
I would give it hell, no doubt. Making plans, yet?

Cole

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Dell Despain » May 4th, 2013, 11:48 am

ThatFrogGuy wrote:Awesome find! At the top of my list whenever I head West.
I would expect that from the frog guy. ;)
yolodave wrote:Cool post. Great shot of the tadpole.
Thanks, I thought at first the tad was a leech.
Todd Pierson wrote:Oooh! One of my favorite posts on here.
Thanks Todd, hope to see a Salamander post from you this year.
Tim Borski wrote: You shoulda' brought Cole, (he would've found that slimey lizard-thing.)
No doubt Tim, he'll work hard to find any herp he can.
Jeff wrote: I believe there remain 0 records for Dicamptodon in Montana --- go to Idaho to see one.
It would be great to see a Dicamptodon in Idaho, but will stand on what Coles reply is. Ditto. :)
Cole Grover wrote:Dell is out of town for the week with work, so I will chime in for him.
Thanks Cole.

-Dell
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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by BillMcGighan » May 5th, 2013, 4:02 am

Thanks for that one, Dell.

Did you roll rocks/logs with a net below (downstream) for them?

On a camping/fishing/birding/mammaling/saying "wow" allot trip a couple years ago to the Bitterroot, I caught a glimpse of that frog, but never saw more than that!!
Very cool post.

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by jonathan » May 6th, 2013, 5:57 pm

Cool post.

Are there any visible differences between Coastal Taileds and Montana Taileds, or is it just a genetics distinction?

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Rich in Reptiles » May 6th, 2013, 6:47 pm

When i saw the oral apparatus on that tadpole i about jumped out of my skin! That is insane, yet incredible!! Thanks for sharing! :mrgreen:

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by FrogO_Oeyes » May 9th, 2013, 10:43 am

Giants have certainly been recorded at more than one location in Montana. I've found them myself, although I suspect it was at a more or less known locality [ie, same stream system if not the same location]. It seems likely they will be found much more widely in Montana, once eDNA sampling is more widely deployed. It can take a lot of searching, and there's a lot of wilderness, so finding a small number of somewhat secretive animals in a fairly harsh climate can be tricky. On the other hand, at one of my favorite spots in ID, 'mature' larvae are somewhat common.

http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-adva ... ekend.html

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by jonathan » May 9th, 2013, 11:55 am

Very cool trip report Frog0_0eyes. We don't have either of those salis recorded for Montana in the http://www.naherp.com database. Both of them and the tailed frog (and the garters, of course) would be great additions.

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by John Williams » May 9th, 2013, 6:46 pm

Very cool Dell. Go back and get some salamanders!

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Mike Pingleton » May 17th, 2013, 11:00 am

Nice tail!

-Mike

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Re: Montana Tailed Frog.

Post by Fundad » May 17th, 2013, 11:33 am

Another Great Cole Post, representing the great state of Montana..

Thanks for sharing, you live in a beautiful part of the world..

Hognose, Milks, and trout.. What else can someone ask for?

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