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November Species Counts

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Please use this thread to record all species observed or heard in the field during the month of November.

This is to be used as a general list and no photos should be included here. Save the photos for your topics, and more importantly for your database entries.

*REMEMBER: It is our duty as members of N.A.F.H.A. to record all of our finds at http://www.naherp.com .

Be as specific as you feel you need to be in these lists, but please do not be more detailed with specific locales than a county.

When entering your records in the database, the quantity should match the number depicted in the photos.
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North Jersey early AM Nov 1

4 Blue Spotted Salamanders (3 AOR, 1 DOR)
4 Leopard Frogs (new species)
15 Wood Frogs
3 Spring Peepers
2 Bullfrogs
10 Green Frogs
1 DOR Gray Treefrog
1 Red backed Salamander
1 Two Lined Salamander
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2 Nov 2013 Italian Wall Lizard, 2 active on my porch, 62 F, Suffolk county, New York
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Essex County, NJ, Nov 2

6 Eastern Painted Turtles
5 Red Eared Sliders
1 Leopard Frog
2 Green Frogs
1 Bullfrog
1 Two-Lined Salamander
1 Red-backed Salamander
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11/2 - Bristol County, MA - Mike and I met up with MattSullivan and his parents. I'll put what Mike or I found in the database, and Matt can put in what he or his family found.

12 Eastern Red-backed Salamanders
9 Eastern Painted Turtles
4 Northern Green Frogs
1 Spring Peeper
1 Spotted Salamander
1 Four-toed Salamander
1 Gray Tree Frog (found by Matt's mom, Sue - and what a stunner it was!)
1 Pickerel Frog
3 Northern Two-lined Salamanders

11/2 - Suffolk County, MA

4 Eastern Red-backed Salamanders
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11-7-2013 northern leopard frog
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Prince William County, VA 11-10-13

4 Red back salamanders
4 Two lined salamanders
1 Three lined salamander
1 NW Snake
1 Green frog
1 Pickerel Frog
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Somerset Co. NJ -

2 redbacks
1 two lined
1 garter
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11-16-2013 York co., VA- one plestiodon
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11/10 - Franklin County, MA

9 redbacked salamanders
7 two-lined salamanders
3 pickerel frogs
1 northern dusky salamander
1 northern green frog

11/16 - Norfolk County, MA

6 redbacked salamanders
16 two-lined salamanders
1 northern green frog

11/17 - Worcester County, MA

9 two-lined salamanders
1 northern dusky salamander
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Nov 18, 2013 Lunch break, Bucks County, PA

5 Map Turtles
3 Red eared Sliders
2 Eastern Painted Turtles
1 Northern Red Bellied Turtle
1 Intergrade Slider (expert says close to Cumberland Slider)
1 Pickerel Frog
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So you have to ask yourself, how an intergrade would end up here. stick with slider.
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You'd be surprised at how often the people who we consider experts are often wrong with Photo ID. Go back in the spring, I'm sure you'll be able to find it again. You need a shot of the hind marginals and a better angle on the plastron would be good.
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I had a lady who said she took her turtle she "rescued" to two exotic vets and told her it was a wood turtle...it was a mud turtle.

I had a co-worker who had the Herpetologist at the University of Tennessee tell her she had a pet musk turtle. It was a map turtle.

These are just two personal examples...and I'm no expert myself.
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11/23 - Worcester County, MA

7 two-lined salamanders
2 redbacked salamanders
1 hibernating pickerel frog (don't worry; we kept it in the water and carefully replaced the rock it was under).
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kyle loucks wrote:So you have to ask yourself, how an intergrade would end up here. stick with slider.
3) Temporal stripe correct thickness and position but incorrect color for red-eared slider. Carapacial pattern within range of red ear but marginal patterns incorrect.

That's what Bartlett said. I don't know how I could view it is 100% red eared slider when it does not have a red-ear. I find weird turtles in Bucks County all the time that people I guess let go. I've seen Western Painted Turtles, a Southern Painted Turtle, Yellow Belly Sliders....I can see how from my photo you could say intergrade, but there is no way I could say 100% red eared slider. I agree with you that I not sure about Cumberland Slider...

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You tell me which is a better match, the pictures were drawn like that for a reason. I think you are trying to put a round peg in a square hole because something is slightly "off" on a species you are very familiar with, so you are trying to assign it an ID of a species that you are much less familiar with. Variation in traits are found in every species, in some cases that variation may go beyond the limit of what you are familiar with, but that doesnt mean it cant be that species.

Dick Bartlett is from FL. He has probably seen very few red-bellied cooters.
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spinifer wrote:
Dick Bartlett is from FL. He has probably seen very few red-bellied cooters.
I don't know when he moved to Florida, but Dick Bartlett is originally from Springfield, MA, or thereabouts.

No dog in this fight -- I have no idea what the turtle is -- but just had to toss that in there. :)
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Nov 26/27 local road cruise, Bucks County, PA

4 Wood Frogs
1 Green Frog
3 Gray Treefrogs (1 DOR)
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Completely unrelated to what anyone found (and I know I know, I "left" this chapter for the Rocky Mountain chatper - but they never post anything!)...but Andrea, you mentioned Dick Bartlett is originally from Springfield, MA. Well, I have a lot of extended Bartlett family on my mother's side and I'm originally from Walpole, MA. Makes me wonder...
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11/27 - Suffolk County, MA

1 Spotted Salamander
2 Red-backed salamanders
1 Northern Green Frog
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