Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

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Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by bushmaster W30 » May 2nd, 2014, 5:25 pm

Hello everyone, my name is Thomas Belford and I'm originally from the South central chapter. I've been traveling the country since the company I work for shutdown in Arkansas a few years ago. My most recent transfer has brought me to the NE. I've been here for 2 days now and the rainy weather has been perfect for salamanders. I've keyed out the easier ones but the desmogs are kinda tricky. Any Id's or corrections would be welcomed.

Allegheny Mountain Dusky?
Randolph Co, WV
ImageDSC_8711 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Slimy
Randolph Co, WV
ImageDSC_8721 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Seal Salamander
Randolph Co, WV
ImageDSC_8718 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Desmog #2
Randolph Co, WV
ImageDSC_8715 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

#2
ImageDSC_8712 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Slimy
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8735 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

#3
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8733 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

#4
Upshur, Co WV
ImageDSC_8729 by Bushmaster W30, on

Eastern Redback
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8727 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Red Spotted Newt
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8691 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Slimy
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8682 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Dusky Salamander
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8681 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

ImageDSC_8676 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Spring Salamander
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8672 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

ImageDSC_8671 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Northern Red Salamander
Upshur Co, WV
ImageDSC_8668 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

Thanks in advance for Ids and corrections. I look forward to herping here in the NE as much as wook will allow. od luck in the field. -Thomas

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by spinifer » May 3rd, 2014, 5:37 am

Your IDs are correct. Desmog 1 is a seal. the others I would want to see where those counties are located first.

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by Jared Cain » May 3rd, 2014, 8:40 am

The three desmog species that can be found in those two counties are Seals, Northern Dusky and Allegheny Mountain Dusky so I would say besides the Seal and Northerns the rest are Mountain Dusky sals. Im far from an expert on desmogs though.

This site may be of some help.
http://www.marshall.edu/herp/

I was just in Randolph County the other weekend and got my lifer Allegheny Mountain Dusky. Sweet finds and its nice to see someone getting some data for WV!

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Post by bushmaster W30 » May 3rd, 2014, 5:06 pm

spinifer wrote:Your IDs are correct. Desmog 1 is a seal. the others I would want to see where those counties are located first.
Thanks For the confirmations and the Seal ID. I thought that's what it was.
Jared Cain wrote:The three desmog species that can be found in those two counties are Seals, Northern Dusky and Allegheny Mountain Dusky so I would say besides the Seal and Northerns the rest are Mountain Dusky sals. Im far from an expert on desmogs though.

This site may be of some help.
http://www.marshall.edu/herp/

I was just in Randolph County the other weekend and got my lifer Allegheny Mountain Dusky. Sweet finds and its nice to see someone getting some data for WV!
That's the site I've been using for IDs. Its pretty good but some range maps would be nice.

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by ZantiMissKnit » May 5th, 2014, 5:32 am

Welcome to the Northeast! I'm so jealous of the salamanders found in WV.

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by MCHerper » May 5th, 2014, 8:34 am

Beautiful pics! Thank you for sharing.

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Post by bushmaster W30 » May 9th, 2014, 6:11 pm

I did a little salamandering in Tucker county last week. Found tons of duskies and Eastern Red-backs. A few Northern Slimys as well.

Then I flipped this little guy. Of coarse my first thought was CMS. Now I think maybe Werhles?

ImageDSC_8745 by Bushmaster W30, on Flickr

I also flipped this one . It was about 1 1/4" and had a clutch of eggs. Both were found around 3150'. Another Werhle's?

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Thanks again. -Thomas

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by Mike VanValen » May 10th, 2014, 12:56 pm

All of those are slimy salamanders.

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Post by bushmaster W30 » May 10th, 2014, 7:16 pm

Mike VanValen wrote:All of those are slimy salamanders.
I thought the bottom was at first but because I didn't see the eggs I decided to check out its belly and chin. Belly was grayish and chin and throat was white. And those brassy/golden flecks. Is that normal for Northern slimys?

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Post by Mike VanValen » May 11th, 2014, 3:31 pm

bushmaster W30 wrote: Is that normal for Northern slimys?
While I have not seen it in person, I have seen several photos of slimies with the brassy speckling.

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by Jared Cain » May 12th, 2014, 5:50 pm

Nice looking Slimy Sals. The easiest way to tell Slimy from Wehrle's is the hind feet. Wehrle's have more webbing on the back feet. The ones I have found tend to be more slender looking and sides more blotchy than spotty also.

Here are a couple pics of Wehrle's from Tyler County WV.

Hind feet.
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Image120 by Cain304, on Flickr

Keep the animals coming! Always nice to see some WV animals being posted.

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by BDSkinner » June 5th, 2014, 9:12 am

spinifer wrote:Your IDs are correct. Desmog 1 is a seal. the others I would want to see where those counties are located first.
Did you mean the first one pictured? The top dusky is Desmognathus ochrophaeus. The one labeled as a seal is correct. Seal salamanders (D. monticola) are know to have spots when young which develop into those distinctive 'wavy' patterns along their flanks. A key characteristic would be in the tail. Mountain duskies are more rounded while the stream dwellers (seals and northern duskies) are keeled and triangular in cross section. Many of the D. fuscus lack any distinguishable patterns as opposed to D. monticola. If you ever find yourself in the southern Appalachians, locality and elevation are key to finding out what you've seen, so make sure to note those.

I'm not as well versed with slimys, but they seem to be regular, unlike those typical Wherle salamanders from Jared.

Nice shots by the way!

-Brad

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Re: Quick introduction and some WV Salamander ID's.

Post by spinifer » June 20th, 2014, 3:03 pm

Did you mean the first one pictured? The top dusky is Desmognathus ochrophaeus. The one labeled as a seal is correct.
I meant the one labled "Desmog 1" which I guess has now been relabeled as a seal.

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