White blotch Ensatina????

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White blotch Ensatina????

Post by hellihooks » May 1st, 2016, 2:49 pm

So... with a little help from a friend, Jacob and I went up and checked Berdoo Klaubs off our lifelists. this ONE spot is described as a croceator/klaub x spot... making these one of the rarest salamanders in Ca.
Jacob flipped his little sub-adult first... showing the yellow blotches this spot is known for... then I flipped an adult with white blotches... which neither of us know what to make of THAT... :crazyeyes:
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whatever they are... lifers for both of us... so we are a couple of campy hampers... :crazyeyes: :D :D :D

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Post by El Garia » May 1st, 2016, 3:25 pm

Those 'manders are stunning! I know you've put some time into searching, so big congrats, Jim :beer:
You're a hood gerper, my friend!

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Post by Richard F. Hoyer » May 1st, 2016, 9:54 pm

Jim,
Little be known that the fellow that has been painting these Ensatina all these years ran out of yellow paint. So he did the next best thing and used his white paint.

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Post by Ross Padilla » May 2nd, 2016, 10:09 am

Awesome!

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Post by hellihooks » May 2nd, 2016, 1:55 pm

El Garia wrote:Those 'manders are stunning! I know you've put some time into searching, so big congrats, Jim :beer:
You're a hood gerper, my friend!

Derek
Hood Gerper might be my new user name... :crazyeyes: me, you... long-toed, tigers soon... :D

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Post by hellihooks » May 2nd, 2016, 4:15 pm

Richard F. Hoyer wrote:Jim,
Little be known that the fellow that has been painting these Ensatina all these years ran out of yellow paint. So he did the next best thing and used his white paint.

Richard FH
So.... mottled tail = cleaning his brush??? :crazyeyes: :D

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Post by Steve Bledsoe » May 2nd, 2016, 4:38 pm

Great find Jim. Congratulations!

A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent me this photo asking for an ID. The photo was taken by a friend of hers who lives in the region you're talking about.
Take a close look - there are 4 individuals in the shot. The property owner said he sees them every year inside this water main vault. Crazy! :crazyeyes:

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Post by Porter » May 2nd, 2016, 4:51 pm

Congrats :thumb: morph of a rarity...doesn't get much better than that :beer:
Steve Bledsoe wrote:Great find Jim. Congratulations!

A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent me this photo asking for an ID. The photo was taken by a friend of hers who lives in the region you're talking about.
Take a close look - there are 4 individuals in the shot. The property owner said he sees them every year inside this water main vault. Crazy! :crazyeyes:

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Cool stuff. Are they able to get out of there or are we looking at a yearly unintentional pitfall trap? I always found trogs in them and gartersnakes which can get back out easily...

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Post by hellihooks » May 2nd, 2016, 6:23 pm

Steve Bledsoe wrote:Great find Jim. Congratulations!

A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent me this photo asking for an ID. The photo was taken by a friend of hers who lives in the region you're talking about.
Take a close look - there are 4 individuals in the shot. The property owner said he sees them every year inside this water main vault. Crazy! :crazyeyes:

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Thx Steve... this could be very significant... only a couple of spots known... and only one called an intergrade (which these appear to be) ... :shock: contact info??? (pm)... I WILL follow up (took me 5 years of trying) to find these... :crazyeyes:

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Post by hellihooks » May 2nd, 2016, 6:28 pm

to give credit where credit is due... Will (fieldnotes) documented these sally's first, this year... and pointed me in the right direction. I, and other members, like Josh, Phil and Jacob have been searching other spots for years now... :? Will's one hell of a herper... :D

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Post by Jeff Teel » May 3rd, 2016, 12:37 am

Water Meter Boxes are great for herps. Eve since I was kid, I would walk through my neighborhood and loom in every ones water meter box. I've seen most species of snakes here in the Sb mtns in them-(except helleri) and most all lziards, and frogs and toads-(excluding a certain toad and frog) but that shot of those sallys is pretty rad...

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Post by Fundad » May 3rd, 2016, 3:21 am

Congrats Jim, I know you have been searching for them for awhile. :thumb:

Be careful with those water boxes, as I have discovered bee hives the hard way in them. :shock:

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Post by hellihooks » May 3rd, 2016, 2:57 pm

Thx to all for the congrats/ kind replies... and especially Teel... who taught me (by example) the meaning of the word 'determined'... :thumb:

and... i keep forgetring to mention... photo credits to Jacob A.... we all know I'm not capable of shots like these ... Thx bro... :thumb:

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Post by Steve Bledsoe » May 3rd, 2016, 3:27 pm

As far as I know, that water shut-off vault is closed with a lid, so I imagine the critters have some sort of subterranean entrance. Don't really know.
Since the land owner says he sees them every year, I would assume that they come and go. Can't imagine these things are so common that several of them fall into a makeshift pit trap year after year, but then again, stranger things happen.

Good point by Fundad regarding bee hives and water valve vaults. I've found a couple of those myself.

Jim - I can try to get some more specific information about the whereabouts of this piece of property. I know what city it's near, but nothing else about it.
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Post by Zach_Lim » May 4th, 2016, 2:48 pm

Very interesting looking Ensatina, Jim!

Edit: don't know why the thread posted so fast. Wasn't even done with my post yet!

Very interesting to see such variation in that one population. Color morphs in amphibians are always so interesting, as they are not as common as in reptiles.

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Post by hellihooks » May 4th, 2016, 3:40 pm

Zach_Lim wrote:Very interesting looking Ensatina, Jim!

Edit: don't know why the thread posted so fast. Wasn't even done with my post yet!

Very interesting to see such variation in that one population. Color morphs in amphibians are always so interesting, as they are not as common as in reptiles.
If in fact a Klaub/croceator intergrade... by FAR the weakest link in the whole ensatina ring complex... :shock: :)

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