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TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by SeaAggie » February 26th, 2011, 4:44 pm

Relating to capturing reptiles and amphibians by nonlethal means; providing a penalty.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1788

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to capturing reptiles and amphibians by nonlethal means;
providing a penalty.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Chapter 43, Parks and Wildlife Code, is amended
by adding Subchapter W to read as follows:
SUBCHAPTER W. REPTILE AND AMPHIBIAN STAMP
Sec. 43.901. REPTILE AND AMPHIBIAN STAMP REQUIRED. (a) A
person may capture by nonlethal means an indigenous reptile or
amphibian only if the person possesses a reptile and amphibian
stamp issued to the person by the department.
(b) The commission by rule shall prescribe the form, design,
and manner of issuance of a stamp under this subchapter.
(c) The stamp is not valid unless the person to whom the
stamp is issued has signed the stamp on its face.
(d) The commission by rule may prescribe alternate
requirements for identifying the purchaser of a stamp issued in an
automated manner.
(e) A stamp issued under this subchapter is valid only
during the yearly period for which the stamp is issued without
regard to the date on which the stamp is acquired. Each yearly
period begins on September 1 or another date set by the commission
and extends through August 31 of the next year or another date set
by the commission.
Sec. 43.902. FEE. The fee for a reptile and amphibian stamp
is $10 or a greater amount set by the commission. The department
may issue other editions of the stamp that are not valid for
capturing by nonlethal means a species covered by this subchapter
for a fee set by the commission.
Sec. 43.903. HUNTING LICENSE REQUIRED. The possession of a
reptile and amphibian stamp does not authorize a person to capture
by nonlethal means an indigenous reptile or amphibian:
(1) without possessing a hunting license required by
Section 42.002 or 42.005; or
(2) at a time or by means not otherwise authorized by
this code.
Sec. 43.904. STAMP SALE RECEIPTS. The net revenue derived
from the sale of reptile and amphibian stamps shall be credited to
the game, fish, and water safety account.
Sec. 43.905. PENALTY. (a) A person who violates Section
43.901 commits an offense that is a Class C Parks and Wildlife Code
misdemeanor.
(b) A person engaged in capturing by nonlethal means a
species covered by this subchapter who fails or refuses on the
demand of any game warden or other peace officer to show a reptile
and amphibian stamp is presumed to be in violation of Section
43.901.
SECTION 2. Section 62.0031, Parks and Wildlife Code, is
amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (c) to
read as follows:
(a) Except as provided by Subsections [Subsection] (b) and
(c), a person may not hunt a wild animal or bird when the person is
on a public road or right-of-way.
(c) A person may capture by nonlethal means reptiles and
amphibians on a public right-of-way if the person:
(1) possesses a reptile and amphibian stamp issued to
the person by the department; and
(2) does not use a trap.
SECTION 3. Section 62.004, Parks and Wildlife Code, is
amended to read as follows:
Sec. 62.004. HUNTING AT NIGHT OR DURING OTHER PERIODS OF
REDUCED VISIBILITY. (a) No person may hunt any wild bird, wild game
bird, wild fowl, or wild game animal protected by this code at any
season of the year between one-half hour after sunset and one-half
hour before sunrise.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a person engaging in
the capture by nonlethal means of a reptile or amphibian under a
stamp issued by the department.
(c) A person engaging in the capture by nonlethal means of a
reptile or amphibian under a stamp issued by the department must
wear reflective clothing when doing so at night or during periods of
reduced visibility.
SECTION 4. (a) Not later than March 1, 2012, the Parks and
Wildlife Commission shall adopt:
(1) rules to implement the changes in law made by this
Act; and
(2) the form, design, and manner of issuance of, and
the fee for, a reptile and amphibian stamp under Subchapter W,
Chapter 43, Parks and Wildlife Code, as added by this Act.
(b) Notwithstanding Sections 43.901(e) and 43.902, Parks
and Wildlife Code, as added by this Act, the initial reptile and
amphibian stamps issued under Subchapter W, Chapter 43, Parks and
Wildlife Code:
(1) are valid for the period beginning the date the
stamps first become available and ending on the expiration of the
first yearly period set by the Parks and Wildlife Commission under
Section 43.901(e); and
(2) shall be issued for a fee equal to the yearly fee,
plus a prorated amount for the period beginning the date the stamps
first become available and ending on the day preceding the date the
first yearly period begins.
SECTION 5. This Act takes effect immediately if it receives
a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each house, as
provided by Section 39, Article III, Texas Constitution. If this
Act does not receive the vote necessary for immediate effect, this
Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Daryl Eby » February 26th, 2011, 7:16 pm

Looks good to me. I'll gladly buy a stamp and wear reflective clothing. Hopefully, at some point in the future we can have the herping stamp fee dedicated to herp related projects. For now, having it go into general TPWD funds will help us win some of their support (or at least mitigate their opposition). Major kudos to all the herpers that have worked tirelessly on this and major thanks and support to the Texas legislators that are supporting it.

EDIT: The stamp revenue goes to "the game, fish, and water safety account", not general funds.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Lloyd Heilbrunn » February 26th, 2011, 8:00 pm

Smart idea giving the State a money making incentive to repeal the road ban. I think the State of Florida does quite well on its lobster and snook stamps!

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by BChambers » February 26th, 2011, 8:32 pm

Hopefully the entire herping community can get behind this legislation, and we can return Texas to it's historic and iconic status as a reptile destination.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 4:08 am

I'll keep my fingers crossed, but given that it's a bill written by a Democrat in a hugely Republican legislature......

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by DaneConley » February 27th, 2011, 6:59 am

Wait, is it saying that we need a hunting license too? And with the stamp.

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Post by Daryl Eby » February 27th, 2011, 7:15 am

DaneConley wrote:Wait, is it saying that we need a hunting license too? And with the stamp.
A hunting license has always been required for herping in Texas. The stamp would be a new requirement. IMHO a stamp is a very good idea. TPWD has never seen herpers as real stakeholders in Texas wildlife. By selling us a stamp, they make us an officially recognized group of hunters that are specifically regulated by them and contribute to them. Some of them may still dislike us, but they will have to recognize us.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Paul White » February 27th, 2011, 7:16 am

It still wouldn't legalize road cruising (it explicitly says it doesn't allow collecting not authorized by the code) but is potentially a tool to use for us--we can argue that there's some regulation and oversight (however minor) and that it is a revenue stream for the state directly.
I too would like that 10 dollar fee to go to herp related projects but oh well. Maybe some day later.
Use them to help fund a statewide study on herps utilizing citizen scientist as volunteers maybe? You don't have to be a pro scientist to learn your local herps--even I've managed that (although I'm not so hot outside my local area).
/wish.

edit: What do you mean a hunting license has been required ot herp in Texas? I had not heard that (and i don't have a hunter's safety card so I can't buy one either)

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 7:19 am

Paul White wrote:edit: What do you mean a hunting license has been required ot herp in Texas? I had not heard that (and i don't have a hunter's safety card so I can't buy one either)
You don't need the safety course to get a hunting license.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Daryl Eby » February 27th, 2011, 7:23 am

Paul White wrote:It still wouldn't legalize road cruising (it explicitly says it doesn't allow collecting not authorized by the code)
Keep reading. Further down in the proposed bill, it amends Parks and Wildlife Code as follows:
SECTION 2. Section 62.0031, Parks and Wildlife Code, is
amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (c) to
read as follows:
(a) Except as provided by Subsections [Subsection] (b) and
(c), a person may not hunt a wild animal or bird when the person is
on a public road or right-of-way.
(c) A person may capture by nonlethal means reptiles and
amphibians on a public right-of-way if the person:
(1) possesses a reptile and amphibian stamp issued to
the person by the department; and
(2) does not use a trap.
Traditional roadway and roadside herping WILL BE ALLOWED.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Daryl Eby » February 27th, 2011, 7:32 am

Paul White wrote:edit: What do you mean a hunting license has been required ot herp in Texas? I had not heard that (and i don't have a hunter's safety card so I can't buy one either)
Yep. Herping in Texas has required a hunting license since at least the 80's and I assume well before that. I never really understood the requirement, but it is the law. I used to get odd looks trying to buy a hunting license in March up in Dallas. Typical response was, "Bit late aint ya son? Huntin season is long over. Les ya plan on shootin squirrels". The odd looks got even odder when I'd explain I was just planning to catch snakes.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 7:41 am

I just wish they'd make the damned things valid for a year from date of purchase. On the years when I'm (unfortunately) unable to make it out in the spring or summer, I end up buying one in September that's valid for a month. :x

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by chrish » February 27th, 2011, 8:45 am

This is great. Thanks to all who have worked so hard on this.

Daryl,

The way I read it, roadcruising is NOT allowed by the law. It does state that an exception is made for collecting on the ROW, but I don't see any exception for collecting on the road itself.
It is a step forward, and puts us back where we were before (i.e. roadcruising "technically" illegal, ROW's legal).

Now we need to design a reflective FHF herping safety vest!

Now let's see if we can get it passed?

Chris

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Paul White » February 27th, 2011, 9:32 am

Now we need to design a reflective FHF herping safety vest!
hell yes! make sure it comes in size "Tent" for me, OK? :)

so about the hunting permit...aah, I guess I'll buy one. I never knew that :oops: But how do they define hunting for snakes? If I'm out hiking and happen to see and photograph a snake or two...does that count?

Except as provided by Subsections [Subsection] (b) and
(c), a person may not hunt a wild animal or bird when the person is
on a public road or right-of-way.
then goes on about right of way but I don't see roadways mentioned.

I still hope this passes.

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Post by Daryl Eby » February 27th, 2011, 10:06 am

Paul White wrote:goes on about right of way but I don't see roadways mentioned.
This bit is confusing and I may be misreading it. I didn't find a specific definition for "right of way" in Texas law, but generally speaking the term "right of way" includes the designated area beside the road AND the roadway itself.
Merriam Webster Dictionary wrote:2 a : the area over which a right-of-way exists b : the strip of land over which is built a public road c : the land occupied by a railroad especially for its main line d : the land used by a public utility (as for a transmission line)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right-of-way

Perhaps we need a legal opinion or clarification from one of the herpers that have been working on this.

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Post by Paul White » February 27th, 2011, 10:24 am

I was under the impression that right of way was the land besides a public road, and did not include the road itself? Texas Parks treated them differently before.

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Post by DaneConley » February 27th, 2011, 11:52 am

Daryl Eby wrote:
Paul White wrote:edit: What do you mean a hunting license has been required ot herp in Texas? I had not heard that (and i don't have a hunter's safety card so I can't buy one either)
Yep. Herping in Texas has required a hunting license since at least the 80's and I assume well before that. I never really understood the requirement, but it is the law. I used to get odd looks trying to buy a hunting license in March up in Dallas. Typical response was, "Bit late aint ya son? Huntin season is long over. Les ya plan on shootin squirrels". The odd looks got even odder when I'd explain I was just planning to catch snakes.
HAHA then I guess it's alright...it will discourage crappy herpers and compitition. Do they have temperorary permits for like if you visit there for a week? But it sucks that you can't use traps. Siren traps are useful. Other than siren traps, all the other traps suck anyways.

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Post by chris_mcmartin » February 27th, 2011, 12:51 pm

Mark Brown wrote:I just wish they'd make the damned things valid for a year from date of purchase. On the years when I'm (unfortunately) unable to make it out in the spring or summer, I end up buying one in September that's valid for a month. :x
September--you should be good for a year...the licenses expire on August 31st, regardless of date of purchase, no?

Chrish: I'd rather see HCU-TX be the proponent for "organizational logo" based reflective vests...they have been the one doing the lion's share of organizing, speaking at hearings, spreading the word, and most importantly, financing various services and initiatives related to this issue.

TO EVERYONE: keep in mind that as the bill is currently worded, road (ROW) herping will NOT BE ALLOWED THIS CALENDAR YEAR, EVEN IF THE BILL BECOMES LAW. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP BY THINKING THINGS WILL BE BACK TO "NORMAL" THIS YEAR! :thumb:

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Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 1:02 pm

chris_mcmartin wrote:September--you should be good for a year...the licenses expire on August 31st, regardless of date of purchase, no?
Must've been when I was going out in July and buying one - it's been a while since that happened and my memory's fuzzy.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Lloyd Heilbrunn » February 27th, 2011, 1:03 pm

chris_mcmartin wrote:
Mark Brown wrote:I just wish they'd make the damned things valid for a year from date of purchase. On the years when I'm (unfortunately) unable to make it out in the spring or summer, I end up buying one in September that's valid for a month. :x
September--you should be good for a year...the licenses expire on August 31st, regardless of date of purchase, no?

Chrish: I'd rather see HCU-TX be the proponent for "organizational logo" based reflective vests...they have been the one doing the lion's share of organizing, speaking at hearings, spreading the word, and most importantly, financing various services and initiatives related to this issue.

TO EVERYONE: keep in mind that as the bill is currently worded, road (ROW) herping will NOT BE ALLOWED THIS CALENDAR YEAR, EVEN IF THE BILL BECOMES LAW. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP BY THINKING THINGS WILL BE BACK TO "NORMAL" THIS YEAR! :thumb:
Seems to say effective immediately if it gets 2/3 vote....

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by muskiemagnet » February 27th, 2011, 1:16 pm

first of all, congrats to you all in texas. this proposal has got to be getting everyone excited in the herp community. hopefully in the future, money spent can be routed to help out all herps. unfortunately, "the man" usually has different agendas. if i remember reading it right, the money will at least stay in the parks and wildlife. again, that's awesome for all of you if it goes through. how can it not? passing it means revenue.

to those wondering about having to get a hunting license, look into it more. here in wisconsin, a fishing license will work as well. turtle and frog harvest has been regulated by the fisheries dept. snakes and such have fallen in between. a fishing or small game license works equally in this state. for out-of-staters who herp in wisconsin, i recommend getting a license. there are provisions that non-residents cannot collect even those herps that possession is permitted by residents. i'm not sure if capture and picture taking is considered possession however.

you guys in texas, learn as much as you can as the laws (hopefully) change. knowing all you can will help you to educate others of what to do and what not to do. it is a step in the right direction.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by DaneConley » February 27th, 2011, 3:27 pm

muskiemagnet wrote:first of all, congrats to you all in texas. this proposal has got to be getting everyone excited in the herp community. hopefully in the future, money spent can be routed to help out all herps. unfortunately, "the man" usually has different agendas. if i remember reading it right, the money will at least stay in the parks and wildlife. again, that's awesome for all of you if it goes through. how can it not? passing it means revenue.

to those wondering about having to get a hunting license, look into it more. here in wisconsin, a fishing license will work as well. turtle and frog harvest has been regulated by the fisheries dept. snakes and such have fallen in between. a fishing or small game license works equally in this state. for out-of-staters who herp in wisconsin, i recommend getting a license. there are provisions that non-residents cannot collect even those herps that possession is permitted by residents. i'm not sure if capture and picture taking is considered possession however.

you guys in texas, learn as much as you can as the laws (hopefully) change. knowing all you can will help you to educate others of what to do and what not to do. it is a step in the right direction.

-ben
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Post by keown » February 27th, 2011, 4:36 pm

Regarding the effective dates for this Bill if it indeed does pass. It becomes effective immediately if it gets 2/3 vote of both the House and the Senate. If it gets less than 2/3 vote in either the House or the Senate then it becomes effective Sept. 1st. You have got to read the entire Bill and digest all of it in order to understand it. Remember the Bill will make it ILLEGAL to collect amphibians and reptiles anywhere in the state...not just on the rights-of-way and roadways UNLESS you possess both a Texas hunting license AND an amphibian and reptile stamp. Once the law becomes effective, you will need to have BOTH to legally herp in Texas period. Here is the kicker....if you read the section concerening the amphibian and reptile stamp....the Bill gives the TPWD until March 1, 2012 to design and make the stamp available. So the law requiring you to have the stamp along with your hunting license is effective this summer or perhaps September 1st....you still can not legally herp anywhere in the state without having the stamp which most likely will not be available until the deadline of March 1st, 2012 when they have to have it available. So if it passes as it was introduced you are going to have to wait until the stamp is available....next year.

Efforts are currently being made to get this language amended before the Bill goes before Committee.

-Gerald

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Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 4:40 pm

keown wrote:Regarding the effective dates for this Bill if it indeed does pass. It becomes effective immediately if it gets 2/3 vote of both the House and the Senate. If it gets less than 2/3 vote in either the House or the Senate then it becomes effective Sept. 1st. You have got to read the entire Bill and digest all of it in order to understand it. Remember the Bill will make it ILLEGAL to collect amphibians and reptiles anywhere in the state...not just on the rights-of-way and roadways UNLESS you possess both a Texas hunting license AND an amphibian and reptile stamp. Once the law becomes effective, you will need to have BOTH to legally herp in Texas period. Here is the kicker....if you read the section concerening the amphibian and reptile stamp....the Bill gives the TPWD until March 1, 2012 to design and make the stamp available. So the law requiring you to have the stamp along with your hunting license is effective this summer or perhaps September 1st....you still can not legally herp anywhere in the state without having the stamp which most likely will not be available until the deadline of March 1st, 2012 when they have to have it available. So if it passes as it was introduced you are going to have to wait until the stamp is available....next year.

Efforts are currently being made to get this language amended before the Bill goes before Committee.

-Gerald

Thanks for the clarification, Gerald. You've probably got a better feel for all this than most of us - what do you think the bill's chances are in a GOP Statehouse?

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Post by chris_mcmartin » February 27th, 2011, 4:53 pm

Lloyd Heilbrunn wrote:
chris_mcmartin wrote:TO EVERYONE: keep in mind that as the bill is currently worded, road (ROW) herping will NOT BE ALLOWED THIS CALENDAR YEAR, EVEN IF THE BILL BECOMES LAW. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP BY THINKING THINGS WILL BE BACK TO "NORMAL" THIS YEAR! :thumb:
Seems to say effective immediately if it gets 2/3 vote....

Gerald beat me to it, but basically there's some verbal sleight-of-hand happening which effectively keeps herping illegal till next March. The legislators need to understand that I want to give my money to West TX Businesses THIS SUMMER, when they need it!

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Post by Paul White » February 27th, 2011, 6:14 pm

I can't imagine this being a party line issue. I frigging hope not anyway.

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Post by Lloyd Heilbrunn » February 27th, 2011, 6:22 pm

Mark Brown wrote:
keown wrote:Regarding the effective dates for this Bill if it indeed does pass. It becomes effective immediately if it gets 2/3 vote of both the House and the Senate. If it gets less than 2/3 vote in either the House or the Senate then it becomes effective Sept. 1st. You have got to read the entire Bill and digest all of it in order to understand it. Remember the Bill will make it ILLEGAL to collect amphibians and reptiles anywhere in the state...not just on the rights-of-way and roadways UNLESS you possess both a Texas hunting license AND an amphibian and reptile stamp. Once the law becomes effective, you will need to have BOTH to legally herp in Texas period. Here is the kicker....if you read the section concerening the amphibian and reptile stamp....the Bill gives the TPWD until March 1, 2012 to design and make the stamp available. So the law requiring you to have the stamp along with your hunting license is effective this summer or perhaps September 1st....you still can not legally herp anywhere in the state without having the stamp which most likely will not be available until the deadline of March 1st, 2012 when they have to have it available. So if it passes as it was introduced you are going to have to wait until the stamp is available....next year.

Efforts are currently being made to get this language amended before the Bill goes before Committee.

-Gerald

Thanks for the clarification, Gerald. You've probably got a better feel for all this than most of us - what do you think the bill's chances are in a GOP Statehouse?

Would not this be a "personal rights" issue? Why would the GOP not support it? It would be different if it were regulating "rights" which were not currently illegal...

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Post by Mark Brown » February 27th, 2011, 7:07 pm

Lloyd Heilbrunn wrote:Would not this be a "personal rights" issue? Why would the GOP not support it? It would be different if it were regulating "rights" which were not currently illegal...
The legislation originally banning roadside herping was written by a Republican from Kerrville, and the legislation to change that was introduced by a Democrat.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by ratsnakehaven » February 27th, 2011, 7:52 pm

Anyone have any idea how much out of state hunting licenses cost in Texas?

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Post by Dan Krull » February 27th, 2011, 9:12 pm

The license I always buy for out of state is the "special hunt" which is the license used to hunt pigs and other feral beasts. It is sold in increments of 5 days, I THINK. And I remember it being about 25 or 30 bucks. All of that is fuzzy though.

If my memory is close to correct, then your special hunt plus tag would be about 40-50 bucks. That's based on my very bad memory though.


On the subject of the stamp availability VS enacting of the law. They often allow grace periods where it is understood that only warnings will be given to allow people to adjust to the new law. I think rather than risking more committee time changing that language they could just be lenient in that interim period.

They did that for the first year following the road ban. I have that in my interview with Major Sinclair.

Anyway, I hope this goes through. If for no other reason than for the businesses of West Texas. Roy and Ruth at the Outback lost about 30percent of their yearly business when this law was passed, and they need the herpers back to continue running their awesome business.

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Post by Mike Rochford » February 27th, 2011, 10:50 pm

The idea of a herp stamp or herp-specific license seems like an idea that originated on this forum. I think it's great (provided the kinks are worked out). Seems like a win-win. Congrats to everyone that worked on this. Maybe I'll drop some money in TX this year!

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Post by Scott Waters » February 28th, 2011, 3:02 am

Rick Staub on Herp Nation LIVE talking about Herp Stamps.....

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by ratsnake » February 28th, 2011, 9:42 am

I like this idea, but I would be nice if they put a minimum age. The stamp will cost more that a youth license.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Fundad » February 28th, 2011, 11:11 am

I Like it, great job everyone that worked on it..

The Herp Stamp Idea is Great for several reasons..

Fundad

Anyone think they'll sell more than 300?

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Paul White » February 28th, 2011, 11:33 am

I hope so! I plan to buy one if this is passed.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced -HERPER INPUT NEEDED

Post by Gluesenkamp » February 28th, 2011, 12:11 pm

I only learned about this bill this morning (on this site). I can't comment myself but it sounds like there is broad support among herpers for HB 1788. Folks at TPWD are now researching the pros/cons of such a bill to provide to the Leg. To that end, we need some estimate of economic benefit that would come about if this bill were passed. One simple estimate would be expected stamp sales numbers.
So, I ask you:
1) How many of you would purchase a herp stamp if one were available?
2)How many of you are from TX?

Scott Waters: Can you or someone else help me post a poll? We need answers ASAP as the turnaround on these things is expected to be lightning-fast.

Herp On!
Andy

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced -HERPER INPUT NEEDED

Post by Dusty Rhoads » February 28th, 2011, 12:36 pm

Gluesenkamp wrote: 1) How many of you would purchase a herp stamp if one were available?
2)How many of you are from TX?
1) Me.
2) Well, I'm FROM Texas, but live in and go to school in MS. :-)
Scott Waters: Can you or someone else help me post a poll? We need answers ASAP as the turnaround on these things is expected to be lightning-fast.
Yes, let's get a poll up. That would be super-easy and effective.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Gluesenkamp » February 28th, 2011, 12:38 pm

I need answers by COB Wednesday.
Thanks

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Paul White » February 28th, 2011, 12:52 pm

From Texas and will purchase the stamp if offered.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Mark Brown » February 28th, 2011, 1:02 pm

Yes from Austin.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by KevColubrid » February 28th, 2011, 1:34 pm

Hey all,
This is great. I'm from Kansas, love Texas, and would most definitely purchase the stamp if offered, to herp everywhere across the state, not just out west.

Kevin

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Scott_Wahlberg » February 28th, 2011, 2:11 pm

I have a scientific collecting permit but I'd still purchase one.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by chris_mcmartin » February 28th, 2011, 3:05 pm

TX resident, but temporary expatriate; would buy the stamp even if I couldn't count on making it to TX in a given year (I'm assuming they'll be super-cool stamps like the federal duck stamps, maybe?).

I think I figured around $1200 for my last trip to TX, and that was withholding money I would've spent had I been able to herp where I wanted (including ROWs). Will be on private, harder-to-herp land again this summer, maybe spend about the same amount of money--would likely spend more if ROW herping was back.

I don't know if you'll get sufficient response by COB tomorrow to make an impression. That being the case, I'd like to throw the idea of "intangible benefits" out there for consideration. I can't speak for the entire recreational-herping population, but I think there is a feeling of having the rug pulled out from under us concerning the implementation of the ban last-minute after "we" thought it had been tabled; seemingly productive legislative hearings last session that ended up going nowhere, etc. As fellow stakeholders in the future of responsible herp management in TX (to include collection and captive breeding where sustainable), I think providing greater opportunities for amateur enthusiasts is ultimately a Good Thing, in that we could be (and have been, in the past) "force multipliers" in helping to gather data (naherp.com) and participate in other programs which the Department can't (or won't, based on priority) fund/operate organically.

With that said, I encourage us recreational folks to support such efforts by providing data upon request and as necessary (Horned Lizard Watch, Box Turtle Watch, etc)...it would sure be a lot easier if our efforts were "approved" via the lifting of the road ban...

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced -HERPER INPUT NEEDED

Post by Mark Brown » February 28th, 2011, 3:10 pm

Dusty Rhoads wrote: Yes, let's get a poll up. That would be super-easy and effective.
If a poll is created for this, I'd definitely link it to the Herp Nation Facebook page. A lot of people will see it there who might not visit FHF in the next day.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by SeaAggie » February 28th, 2011, 3:28 pm

well, since I started this thread, I guess I should answer the questions.

I'm on an Educational Use Permit, which allows collecting without a hunting license anyway - but I would buy one for myself, and my husband would also buy one. That's two in my household.

Yes, we're in Texas.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Tom Lott » February 28th, 2011, 4:30 pm

Gluesenkamp wrote:1) How many of you would purchase a herp stamp if one were available?

2)How many of you are from TX?
1) I would

2) I am

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by keown » February 28th, 2011, 7:16 pm

If such a stamp is made available

I would purchase one annually,

and I do live in Texas.

-Gerald Keown

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by monklet » February 28th, 2011, 7:59 pm

Great idea, I'd purchase one even if I don't go to Texas.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Daryl Eby » February 28th, 2011, 8:17 pm

I'll buy one and need to check out age limits on licenses for my son's (7 & 10).

We're from Texas.

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Re: TX HB 1788 introduced

Post by Fundad » February 28th, 2011, 9:07 pm

The idea of a herp stamp or herp-specific license seems like an idea that originated on this forum.
It did, Taking a bow, to the standing ovation.. :lol:

Fundad

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