The apex predator
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- Mulebrother
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The apex predator
How awesome is this? Pretty awesome I'd say. I never saw it coming, and I was looking.
- Carl Brune
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Fricking jumping viper. Makes you think twice about how we go about photographing those things... Very cool video.
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Let me guess...the airport wanted to expand so a "study" was undertaken. The end result will be the destruction of the habitat used by the individuals in this population.
Will
Will
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daddy's hungry!
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That squirrel knew something was wrong. My 'most aerial Crotalus' vote just changed from viridis to horridus.
Shane
Shane
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WOW Truly Amazing that you captured that on video..
Seriously mad props..
Who was it that said they can only strike 2/3 rd sof their body length? That is to a 4 ft strike, heck maybe more.
I have seen a handful of crotes strike ("Jump"for lack of a better word) like that in my time, and no one seemed to believe me.. Now this video is proof..
Hmm, note to self be EXTRA careful in Timber country..
And what was the stupid pigeon doing? It was the pigeons lucky day..
Bravo for filming and sharing that us....
Fundad
Seriously mad props..
Who was it that said they can only strike 2/3 rd sof their body length? That is to a 4 ft strike, heck maybe more.
I have seen a handful of crotes strike ("Jump"for lack of a better word) like that in my time, and no one seemed to believe me.. Now this video is proof..
Hmm, note to self be EXTRA careful in Timber country..
And what was the stupid pigeon doing? It was the pigeons lucky day..
Bravo for filming and sharing that us....
Fundad
- Mulebrother
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I wish I could take credit for filming...but all i did was find it on you tube!
But yeah, Van...there are several live cams at this site...videos come from 'north central ozarks' in arkansas...ever heard of them? Pretty neat videos of timbers for sure.
But yeah, Van...there are several live cams at this site...videos come from 'north central ozarks' in arkansas...ever heard of them? Pretty neat videos of timbers for sure.
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huh, I wonder where.... and who?
- herpseeker1978
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I had a viridis jump at me like that last year, it had been striking at all the cars straddling it. I moved it off with my hook. I also had a gopher do that when I released it. Very cool video!
Josh
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I had one jump at me a couple years ago - up to that point, I had developed an ass-headed complacency towards horridus, since most of the ones I encountered were seemingly mellow teddy bears. I am fortunate enough to make this confession with all body parts unbruised and intact.Carl Brune wrote:Fricking jumping viper. Makes you think twice about how we go about photographing those things... Very cool video.
That was cool indeed - now there's a video post worth watching! I give it 4 stars out of 5 - I would give it 5 but it lacks the teenage narrator needed to build dramatic tension.
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A perfect example of how alcohol and rattlesnakes don't mix. That inebriated squirrel learned a real life lesson there, haha.
But in all seriousness, that's what I call a wildlife video! One of the best I have ever seen on this forum, and it debunked a serious myth about Crotalids. A great lesson for any novices out there and how they may behave around rattlesnakes thinkin they know them from A to Z to STRIKE. Next time one gets on one's belly to get that head on shot a 600mm telephoto may be a better idea than a 105 macro. Awesome stuff, keep your wits about ya y'all.
Dan
But in all seriousness, that's what I call a wildlife video! One of the best I have ever seen on this forum, and it debunked a serious myth about Crotalids. A great lesson for any novices out there and how they may behave around rattlesnakes thinkin they know them from A to Z to STRIKE. Next time one gets on one's belly to get that head on shot a 600mm telephoto may be a better idea than a 105 macro. Awesome stuff, keep your wits about ya y'all.
Dan
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Best snake viddie ever! ...but can't believe the video guy just sat there and watched it when he/she could have picked it up by the tail while screaming "Crikey, look at me while I harass this dangerous and aggressive animal"!
Good proof that it's best just to watch and will be doing much more of that next season.
Very interesting to watch the snake hunt for its dispatched prey.
Brian - the mourning dove is almost certainly has a nest nearby and is performing a distraction display, most commonly seen in ground nesting birds such as Killdeer. Never seen or heard of that in mourning doves but have seen mockingbirds offer such. Neither are ground nesters ...but then snakes can climb so...
Good proof that it's best just to watch and will be doing much more of that next season.
Very interesting to watch the snake hunt for its dispatched prey.
Brian - the mourning dove is almost certainly has a nest nearby and is performing a distraction display, most commonly seen in ground nesting birds such as Killdeer. Never seen or heard of that in mourning doves but have seen mockingbirds offer such. Neither are ground nesters ...but then snakes can climb so...
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This video is definitely getting bookmarked. Awesome shot. How long did you have to wait for that?
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wow, that was incredible, thanks SO much for sharing!!
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Crazy. I have had one horridus launch itself maybe 2/3 that distance at me, completely re-setting my caution meter. I would guess that many of us have been in proximities where that kind of effort would have landed us in the hospital.
That animal was really going for broke, I don't think the defensive mode sets the instincts to that kind of shot very often.
That animal was really going for broke, I don't think the defensive mode sets the instincts to that kind of shot very often.
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Truly awesome video! Thanks for bringing it here!
Gerry
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I was trying to figure out what kind of strike range this snake had and I was able to stop the video and capture 2 shots, a before and after, although the quality is not the best:
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The first shot makes it appear that the squirrel saw the snake and then tried to move away quickly but it was too late. Perhaps the squirrel's movement away from the strike, moved the snake's body forward. However, the second photo shows the snake's head well beyond the 1/3 of the snake's body length that many discuss as the strike zone. I was trying to calculate the length of the strike by using the squirrel's body size and am thinking that perhaps the strike as shown in the second photo is somewhere in the area of 3 feet, but it could be longer. This makes me rethink what I thought was a safe distance as so many have stated. Mulebrother, it was a cool video.
Any thoughts on strike ranges would be appreciated.
Mike, I agree with you re the lack of dramatic tension here:
Any thoughts on strike ranges would be appreciated. I feel I was way too close to this big boy:
(snake road).
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The first shot makes it appear that the squirrel saw the snake and then tried to move away quickly but it was too late. Perhaps the squirrel's movement away from the strike, moved the snake's body forward. However, the second photo shows the snake's head well beyond the 1/3 of the snake's body length that many discuss as the strike zone. I was trying to calculate the length of the strike by using the squirrel's body size and am thinking that perhaps the strike as shown in the second photo is somewhere in the area of 3 feet, but it could be longer. This makes me rethink what I thought was a safe distance as so many have stated. Mulebrother, it was a cool video.
Any thoughts on strike ranges would be appreciated.
Mike, I agree with you re the lack of dramatic tension here:
That was cool indeed - now there's a video post worth watching! I give it 4 stars out of 5 - I would give it 5 but it lacks the teenage narrator needed to build dramatic tension.
Any thoughts on strike ranges would be appreciated. I feel I was way too close to this big boy:
(snake road).
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Wow, what a video! And that Timber was exceptionally nice too.
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Very nice. I just saw Eric posted it on FB too. That big Viridis I found in KS in July was pretty jumpy but not like that. I had a subadult helli in LA county that was striking so hard it was getting much more than 2/3s, but still nowhere near this guy.
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That was TOO COOL!!!
- Whitney George
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I'n increasing my personal safety zone after seeing that incredible video. Terrific horridus and enoyed wacthing the actual tracking of the squirrel and the pigeon "detour".
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Thanks for sharing the link. YouTube herping can be almost as much fun as the real thing at times. One day I need to learn how to edit video so I can post some feeding, breeding and combat videos.
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I am sorry to resurrect an old post, but somehow I came across this one while googling something lol. This is awesome! May not be bad to bring this thread back to life. Maybe some new members would like to see it!
- BillMcGighan
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Glad you did, JD. Somehow I missed this last year.I am sorry to resurrect an old post, but
A1 video.
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No wonder snakes were the first animals considered magical.
It appeared like an instant mirage.
It appeared like an instant mirage.
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This is an amazing video. I can't believe they caught that!
2 things regarding the strike distance... First of all it looks as if the momentum of the squirrels jump pulls the snake even further from its starting point. Second, as mentioned above, a defensive strike and a predatory strike are different. While it is certainly possible to get bite by a freak leaping snake (and perhaps many of us do get a bit too close) a defensive snake wants to return to its coil to keep protected, not land sprawled out 3 feet away. I have had captive snakes fling themselves out of their tub and onto the floor to try and grab a rodent, but I have never had a scared/defensive snake strike and end up on the floor.
With that said, I doubt this cornsnake was trying to eat the dog... anyone seen this pic going around facebook lately...
2 things regarding the strike distance... First of all it looks as if the momentum of the squirrels jump pulls the snake even further from its starting point. Second, as mentioned above, a defensive strike and a predatory strike are different. While it is certainly possible to get bite by a freak leaping snake (and perhaps many of us do get a bit too close) a defensive snake wants to return to its coil to keep protected, not land sprawled out 3 feet away. I have had captive snakes fling themselves out of their tub and onto the floor to try and grab a rodent, but I have never had a scared/defensive snake strike and end up on the floor.
With that said, I doubt this cornsnake was trying to eat the dog... anyone seen this pic going around facebook lately...