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 Post subject: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 5th, 2016, 8:29 pm 

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I postulate that my path from full blown and unapolegetic supporter of environmentalists to complete disdain for these people is not an uncommon trajectory. I freely admit that upon my first login to this site, I had no doubts that the personnel at local nature centers knew best and that organizations such as "Defenders of Wildlife" had nothing but the best of intentions. The fact is, it's only been six years and change since I've joined this site and my opinions have done a 360! The people I held in high regard, I often now hold in high contempt. I am sure I must not be alone in this opnion and the more facts I gather, the stronger my opinion on the subject grows. My opinion of people who are classified as scientists remains neutral, the older they are, the more I find I tend to find their opinions fair and balanced, but of the type of people that call themselves environmentalists, I tend to find them as relatively useless individuals willing to say or do anything regardless of the ethical implications.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 6th, 2016, 12:19 am 
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stlouisdude wrote:
I postulate that my path from full blown and unapolegetic supporter of environmentalists to complete disdain for these people is not an uncommon trajectory. I freely admit that upon my first login to this site, I had no doubts that the personnel at local nature centers knew best and that organizations such as "Defenders of Wildlife" had nothing but the best of intentions. The fact is, it's only been six years and change since I've joined this site and my opinions have done a 360! The people I held in high regard, I often now hold in high contempt. I am sure I must not be alone in this opnion and the more facts I gather, the stronger my opinion on the subject grows. My opinion of people who are classified as scientists remains neutral, the older they are, the more I find I tend to find their opinions fair and balanced, but of the type of people that call themselves environmentalists, I tend to find them as relatively useless individuals willing to say or do anything regardless of the ethical implications.


360° = 0°


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 6th, 2016, 7:44 am 

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Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:
360° = 0°


Thank you :)


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 7th, 2016, 1:15 pm 
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George Carlin, brilliant and on the money.

George Carlin - Saving Endangered Species is Wrong!



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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 8th, 2016, 5:54 pm 
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WSTREPS wrote:
George Carlin, brilliant and on the money.

George Carlin - Saving Endangered Species is Wrong!



A solid, evidence-based analysis of the subject. Where did he get his degree from?


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 8th, 2016, 6:07 pm 
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So what do you define as an environmentalist?

The dictionary definition is pretty broad:
en·vi·ron·men·tal·ist
1.
a person who is concerned with or advocates the protection of the environment.
synonyms: conservationist, preservationist, ecologist, nature lover; More

I don't believe that you're saying you hold in contempt anyone who is concerned with the protection of the environment. So what is it that you're getting at?


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 8th, 2016, 8:39 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 8th, 2016, 9:09 pm 
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Can you present some more evidence that the climate is "actually cooling"? I'm not willing to take Mark Levine's word on this.

The climate is changing due to combustion of fossil fuels, generally warming at a predictable rate. This warming is having a litany of ecological consequences rising sea levels, warming oceans, and loss of glaciers. In terms of biodiversity, there will be winners and losers, but overall we are losing biodiversity as a result of human caused climate change. Call me a lemming if you must but lemmings are cool and feed a lot of snowy owls, a relationship intimately related to climate change.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 9th, 2016, 12:00 pm 
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Fieldnotes,

Out of curiosity, why do you delete some of your posts?


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 9th, 2016, 6:43 pm 

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Stlouisdude, I'm interested in hearing some examples of what happened to bring you to feel this way?


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 9th, 2016, 7:20 pm 
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Bryan, perhaps it is a way of making a statement and then making sure it isnt a permanent one, in the case of alienation of potential customer base of a cottage industry type pursuit.

a person may harangue a person for their political beliefs, yet wouldnt turn down their money.

I cant think of any other reason why someone wouldnt remain accountable to their own strongly expressed comment.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 10th, 2016, 2:18 pm 
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Bryan Hamilton wrote:

Out of curiosity, why do you delete some of your posts?

Sometimes I post after tossing a couple down. Then in the morning, I realize, i don't want to bother explaining or debating. I feel, it would be ruder to post something and never respond than to delete it. I suppose its kind'a like "buyers remorse." And as Kelly put it, I'm not a follower of political correctness and I don't need that permanently record. Perhaps my son will be the leader of the Free-world someday, heck, if Trump did it, anyone, accept Hillary can do it. But more than not being PC, I realize later, I just don't want to follow up to post-after-post. Then a month later, bam, its back at the top of the forum, and things start all over again.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 10th, 2016, 3:41 pm 
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:thumb:

That honesty is fantastically refreshing


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 11th, 2016, 8:14 am 

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That honesty is fantastically refreshing


I agree!


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: December 11th, 2016, 3:16 pm 

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this thread gave me cancer.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: May 21st, 2017, 8:59 pm 
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I use to be a human-caused climate change denier. Circa 2000 or so.

I no longer deny we are causing it. We are, and it is bad, very bad.

Not sure when I switched.


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 3:19 pm 

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this is how I've come to disdain herpers


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: August 24th, 2017, 6:10 pm 
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Don't worry...Trump is going to fix everything. He's going to make America great again. It's going to be Amazing and Terrific...and I'm sure the new coal mines and steel mills will have no effect on global warming... :roll:

So, I got here late...what is the point of this thread anyway? :|


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: August 28th, 2017, 11:53 am 
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I was hoping the OP would come back and elaborate. All I can think is some in the field of environmentalism may go in with pure scientific intentions, but end up being swayed by politics or consumed with bureaucratic matters, and he/she had negative interactions with such people


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 Post subject: Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists
PostPosted: August 30th, 2017, 11:44 pm 
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Coluber Constrictor wrote:
this thread gave me cancer.


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