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This will certainly open up some debates.
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It's a logical fallacy called 'framing', which is what folks who really want to make a point use, when they don't have a logical leg to stand on...'We the Sheeple' aren't supposed to notice things like that...jonathan wrote: p.s. - the link you just provided sneakily switches from "illegal immigrant families" to "immigrant families" in the 4th sentence, so all the "data" they provide after that is for ALL immigrants, not illegal immigrants. Not a single number in that paragraph is actually a statistic about illegal immigrants.
= "I'm so convinced of this that actual evidence for (or against) it doesn't matter to me - so it shouldn't matter to you, either!"Fieldnotes wrote:It is clear that...
= "I couldn't find any actual evidence to back me up, but maybe you can find some for me if you look hard enough. I don't know. What I'm saying certainly sounds good to me, anyway..."Fieldnotes wrote:... If someone is not satisfied with the links, there are plenty of other articles on the net providing proof...
Uh-huh, if by "eventually" you mean "first to respond after the original post" - and well before you, of course.Fieldnotes wrote:I knew you would stick you nose into this thread eventually...
= "It's fine for me to use these message boards to spew my paranoid fear and hatred on everyone, but not for you to call me on it!"Fieldnotes wrote:However, before i go, I must wish you congrats. Congrats to 'Gerry The Egg', you are the first on my ‘Foe’ List. This means I no longer have to be bored by your posts and, I suggest you do the same. So you can ignore my Superior Wisdom.
Dang Aaron, posts like yours are why we need a "like" button.Aaron wrote:I think illegal immigration does cause a significant drain on the system, but I sympathize with the immigrants and I'm not sure legally what should be done about it. I am more concerned about military/prison industrial complex, corporate welfare, corporate tax dodging and outsourcing of labor without commensurate tariffs and/or tax penalties. I think these things cause greater problems that illegal immigration but they are all things that need to be dealt with.
I agree..jonathan wrote:Dang Aaron, posts like yours are why we need a "like" button.Aaron wrote:I think illegal immigration does cause a significant drain on the system, but I sympathize with the immigrants and I'm not sure legally what should be done about it. I am more concerned about military/prison industrial complex, corporate welfare, corporate tax dodging and outsourcing of labor without commensurate tariffs and/or tax penalties. I think these things cause greater problems that illegal immigration but they are all things that need to be dealt with.
Let's make sure everyone understands what we're talking about here. Per the American Heritage Dictionary:captainjack0000 wrote:Everything has bias...
It's not anywhere near enough for people simply to read/view/listen to a lot. They should apply critical thinking to everything they take in, and they should most definitely be wary of folks spreading propaganda to further their biases under the guise of merely disseminating far less biased news.... mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.
It's not anywhere near enough for people simply to read/view/listen to a lot. They should apply critical thinking to everything they take in...
I agree that most forms of journalism should attempt to minimize overt or prejudiced "bias" as much as possible. (Of course, sometimes they forget to involve the "critical thinking" in that enterprise: http://www.livingalongsidewildlife.com/ ... th-in.html)gbin wrote:Let's make sure everyone understands what we're talking about here. Per the American Heritage Dictionary:captainjack0000 wrote:Everything has bias...
I agree with what you wrote to some extent, cj0000, and that's why I talk about science being based on an attempt to minimize bias (as it's essentially impossible to eliminate it) while obtaining and interpreting information about the natural world. But there are some important distinctions that are totally lost in what you wrote.
- bias - A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
First, akin to science, journalism is at it's heart an attempt to minimize bias, in this case in the presentation of information about all kinds of things to other people. News is by and large produced by journalists, and at its best very little bias should be present in it:
captainjack0000 wrote:I can respect those who don't try to minimize their bias but are upfront about not doing so. I then know where they are coming from. It is important context necessary for better understanding.
captainjack0000 wrote:Every news source has bias. You cannot ever be 100% objective. So watch all of the news you can, read books, do homework, and check all of the different sources you can, and then at least you can claim to have made an informed decision.
I love those three points. First off, people who are aware of their biases (the limited part of the story they really know, the limited pieces of what they know that they're going to tell, and the preconceived worldview they're going to fit the retelling of their story into) and who can tell people about those biases upfront are both more self-aware and more helpful to learn from than those who think they are "unbiased". Second of all, the way to counteract that simple fact of universal individual bias is to get as many viewpoints from different people with different perspectives and agendas as you can. And finally, you're going to need to apply some critical thinking to sort the good stuff from the bad.captainjack0000 wrote:I like how you put it when you saidIt's not anywhere near enough for people simply to read/view/listen to a lot. They should apply critical thinking to everything they take in...