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PostPosted: June 15th, 2010, 9:43 am 
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I'm curious what you guys think. If you were to be bitten by an adult crote and could choose between Helleri or Scutulatus, which would you go with?

Helleri or Scutulatus?

And no saying "I choose to no get bitten", or "cerastes". :)


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This is a gross misuse of the human capacity for hypothetical speculation.


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This is a gross misuse of the human capacity for hypothetical speculation.


Im with you :roll:


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That's like asking which caliber of a bullet, .40 or .45 you'd like to have hit you in the forehead...


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What make and model of semi-tractor trailor truck would you rather be run over with?

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Three missionaries are stranded on a desert island, and are captured by the natives. The chief tells them that their presence has angered the gods and that the missionaries must be punished to appease them.

The chief walks up to the first man and says,"Unga Bunga, or death?"
The missionaries don't know what Unga Bunga is, but it couldn't be worse than death, so the man says,"Unga Bunga."

Several men from the village hold the missionary down and the chief has his way with the man in his rear end. :oops:
His friends are, needless to say, shocked.

When it comes the second missionary's turn, the chief says,"Unga Bunga, or Death?"
After watching what his friend had been through, the man bravely chooses death.




The chief says," Fine. Death by Unga Bunga." :shock:

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Three missionaries are stranded on a desert island, and are captured by the natives. The chief tells them that their presence has angered the gods and that the missionaries must be punished to appease them.

The chief walks up to the first man and says,"Unga Bunga, or death?"
The missionaries don't know what Unga Bunga is, but it couldn't be worse than death, so the man says,"Unga Bunga."

Several men from the village hold the missionary down and the chief has his way with the man in his rear end. :oops:
His friends are, needless to say, shocked.

When it comes the second missionary's turn, the chief says,"Unga Bunga, or Death?"
After watching what his friend had been through, the man bravely chooses death.




The chief says," Fine. Death by Unga Bunga." :shock:

Dan


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Three missionaries are stranded on a desert island, and are captured by the natives. The chief tells them that their presence has angered the gods and that the missionaries must be punished to appease them.

The chief walks up to the first man and says,"Unga Bunga, or death?"
The missionaries don't know what Unga Bunga is, but it couldn't be worse than death, so the man says,"Unga Bunga."

Several men from the village hold the missionary down and the chief has his way with the man in his rear end. :oops:
His friends are, needless to say, shocked.

When it comes the second missionary's turn, the chief says,"Unga Bunga, or Death?"
After watching what his friend had been through, the man bravely chooses death.




The chief says," Fine. Death by Unga Bunga." :shock:

Dan



Hahaha!


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Three missionaries are stranded on a desert island, and are captured by the natives. The chief tells them that their presence has angered the gods and that the missionaries must be punished to appease them.

The chief walks up to the first man and says,"Unga Bunga, or death?"
The missionaries don't know what Unga Bunga is, but it couldn't be worse than death, so the man says,"Unga Bunga."

Several men from the village hold the missionary down and the chief has his way with the man in his rear end. :oops:
His friends are, needless to say, shocked.

When it comes the second missionary's turn, the chief says,"Unga Bunga, or Death?"
After watching what his friend had been through, the man bravely chooses death.




The chief says," Fine. Death by Unga Bunga." :shock:

Dan


What happened to the 3rd missionary? :roll: I've had 3 helli bites, so I guess I'd pick the Scute... Variety IS the spice of life... :roll: :mrgreen: jim


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PostPosted: June 15th, 2010, 2:37 pm 
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Which ever one is venomoid.
Which ever one just ate a large meal.
Which ever one is the smaller neonate.


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The chief says," Fine. Death by Unga Bunga." :shock:


bwahahahaaha!


To the OP: IMO, the most dangerous snake is the one that just bit you, so I'd rather not put myself in a position to be bitten by any.


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helleri is the obvious answer. scutulatus is the most dangerous snake north of a bushmaster.

While that may be true, Scutes are one of the venoms used to make the polyvalent Crofab, so Crofab is very effective for scute bites.... and is notoriously ineffective for helleri bites... so I guess the real question is... do you, and how soon do you recieve treatment? If we're talking bout bites with NO treatment... I'll stick to helli's... maybe I've developed some immunity to them, cause my last one, 2 months ago hardly slowed me down... although it was a relatively 'mild' envenomation... still, took ten vials of Crofab over 12 hrs to curtail the effects. NOT a fun way to spend your birthday...DOH!!! jim
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PostPosted: June 15th, 2010, 7:38 pm 
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jdustin wrote:
I'm curious what you guys think. If you were to be bitten by an adult crote and could choose between Helleri of Scutulatus, which would you go with?

Helleri of Scutulatus?

And no saying "I choose to no get bitten", or "cerastes". :)



what is a helleri OF scutulatus. i think we all missed the intent here.....maybe it's like a hell-of-a mojave. but then where's the choice involved.

or is that a quantity of snakes?.....a flock of birds, pride of lions, pod of whales, helleri of mojaves.

personally i choose to no get bitten.


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I'm thinking jdustin probably wrote his question a little happhazardly and meant to phrase his question like:

Which rattlesnake has more deadly venom, a Helleri or a Scutulatus?

or

Would being envenomated by a Scutulatus be more severe than that of a Helleri?

or

Which rattlesnake has higher venom toxicity a Scutulatus or a Helleri?

or perhaps a hypothetical question:

If you had forgotten to bring any high boots or snake proof chaps with you to California in the springtime but
really wanted to go out herping in some tall grass/ thick vegitation anyway and you had a choice to go to habitat where either mojaves were common or Helleri's were common which habitat would you choose to herp?


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Would you rather be bit by a Gaboon viper walking through the woods, or a Common Krait in your sleep?

What's a Common Krait?



http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Common+Krait
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Thanks! I asked because I never trust common names, especially not such general-sounding ones.


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Actually some southern populations of Timber rattlers (The north Fl specimens for example) Are just as toxic as a Mojave if not more so.


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What adult boid would you rather be strangled by? Python sebae or Calabaria reinhardti?


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Hey Helli,
Don't mean to be a snoop, but have you been tagged more than once recently?
Would you care to outline you bites... don't mean for you to be the cautionary whale, but it might help...
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My 1st 2 bites were 30+ yrs ago, when I was a dumb teenager, doing dumb stuff. 2 months ago, in a moment of carelessness, I caught a fang in my index finger, through a bag. I documented it pretty well and plan to post it soon. jim


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What Crote?
I'd prefer to be bitten by a Crotaphytus.


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Brian Eagar wrote:
I'm thinking jdustin probably wrote his question a little happhazardly and meant to phrase his question like:

Which rattlesnake has more deadly venom, a Helleri or a Scutulatus?

or

Would being envenomated by a Scutulatus be more severe than that of a Helleri?

or

Which rattlesnake has higher venom toxicity a Scutulatus or a Helleri?

or perhaps a hypothetical question:

If you had forgotten to bring any high boots or snake proof chaps with you to California in the springtime but
really wanted to go out herping in some tall grass/ thick vegitation anyway and you had a choice to go to habitat where either mojaves were common or Helleri's were common which habitat would you choose to herp?


Very well put Brian. I wanted to say something like that myself. Too bad there is often a tendency to "jump sh*t" and ask question later :(


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I choose the one that doesn't get me in the crotch... just in case amputation is needed.


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A guy, while on a trip to Thialand, goes to a brothel, and several weeks later his junk start turning all different colors... green, yellow, purple...you name it. So he goes to the Doctor, who tells him that amputation will be neccessary. the guy freaks and tells the doc that he wants a second opinion, and later that day sees another Doctor, and tells him that the 1st Doc said amputation was necessary. The 2nd Doc says "No, no, no... amputation won't be neccessary." "Oh Thank God' the man cries.. "I am so relieved to hear that!!"
The Doctor says."Yeah... It'll probably fall off by itself in another day or so." :crazyeyes: :lol: :lol: jim


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A guy, while on a trip to Thialand, goes to a brothel, and several weeks later his junk start turning all different colors... green, yellow, purple...you name it. So he goes to the Doctor, who tells him that amputation will be neccessary. the guy freaks and tells the doc that he wants a second opinion, and later that day sees another Doctor, and tells him that the 1st Doc said amputation was necessary. The 2nd Doc says "No, no, no... amputation won't be neccessary." "Oh Thank God' the man cries.. "I am so relieved to hear that!!"
The Doctor says."Yeah... It'll probably fall off by itself in another day or so." :crazyeyes: :lol: :lol: jim

:lol: :lol: :lol:

gotta at least thank Justin for a very amusing thread! :thumb:


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California Scute or Supervenom AZ Scute???

Either way, if I KNOW I can get treated soon, I'd probably go with the Scute bite, simply because of the effect that polyvalent has on it... if I didn't know whether treatment was available or not, I would take the helleri bite for sure.


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lol, you guys are great. And yes, I meant to say helleri OR scutulatus... my bad on the typo.

Now that we have that hypothetical question settled, here's the next... while night driving, which would be more frightening to see standing in the darkness on the side of the road.

1. Bigfoot
2. A person dressed as a clown

And no going with the obvious answer (bigfoot dressed as a clown).


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haha. Well, since we know clowns are known for their serial killing tendencies... and we have no proof that Bigfoot has ever harmed anybody, I'm gonna say that I would be straight up frightened if I cruised up on a dude dressed as a clown...


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On my first trip to South Texas, I was lost in the middle of nowhere on a farm road at 2 am, and my car was sitting on "E." I hadn't seen a driveway in some time, and I figured I'd be spending the night and part of the next day out in the desert alone.

As I drove down the dirt road, I approached a dark object on the driver's side. I couldn't make out what it was, but it was huge and obviously an animal, but it was in a strange position, and I couldn't identify it. Its strangeness sent chills up my spine, and gave me a fight or flight feeling.

As I rolled closer, I realized it was a cow sleeping in the road.

As I passed it, the cow slowly and quite gracefully stood up. It was facing me and the whole time it looked me in the eyes. It was so close I could have reached out to touch it as I passed.

I normally don't find cows frightening, but in my gas worried, fight or flight mood, the motion of the great beast standing up, all the while looking me in the eye, and then disappearing into the darkness as my lights passed has stayed with me. It was a haunting experience.

Had I seen bigfoot on that particular night... the Laredo newspaper the next morning would have told of an 18 year old kid who had suddenly and violently pooped himself to death the night before.

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what about a clown... dressed up as bigfoot? too scary... :lol: :lol: jim


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Clown. I already had a nighttime Bigfoot encounter.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=12640

The guy who interviewed me messed up what I told him, but the first part is all right (since I wrote it).

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Did anyone here ever see that show where the "researchers" got blood on a nail board meant for bears in SE Alaska, and supposedly, they ran DNA tests on it and determined that it was an "indeterminate primate", ie, a primate that had never been identified before?

It was one of those stupid Animal Planet shows, but the guy who ran the tests seemed legitimate.



IIRC, one the people in that show was Daris Swindler, he recently passed away. Having worked with and known him, his credibility was unmarred. We disagreed on the bigfoot thing.

I thought the DNA was simply indeterminate? I could be remembering that wrong though.


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LOL, it always cracks me up when people say this. You hold what is called the mythical view of Jesus which has been popularized mostly by non-historians. Outside of a few nut jobs, no respected historian holds the mythical view of Jesus. It would be akin to a respected biologist ignoring all aspects of evolution.


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"Crotaphytus" lol. That's funny.
Hellihooks may have the only sensible answer, if Mojave bites are really easier to treat then Mojave is probably the answer. However when I find myself thinking about such things I usually just push the thought from my brain.

As far as the clown vs. bigfoot, the bigfoot would be scarier but I would actually like to see one as long as I was in my car.

I was on the River Rd.(FM170) in TX late at night and I saw an old indian woman with a mule. It was very startling but it turns out she was locally famous. Her name was Judy and she traveled the desert from Mexico to Alpine with her mule, that was her lifestyle.

Scariest of all was when I was at home and for some reason I opened my front door to look outside and a human baby ran by mere inches from me. My dwelling is a detached studio and the door opens to a parking lot but what made it so startling was that the baby was all alone. The instant I saw it I looked around for adults but there was none nearby. It made me think of the movie Chucky and I quickly shut my door. Then seconds later logical thought resumed and I got worried that the baby might have wandered out of the nearby apartments by itself and I opened my door again. I was about to go get the baby when a moment later I heard a voice and an adult who had been watching the baby peeked out from the side of the laundry room and laughed.


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Human baby running loose in the night totally out creepys anything anyone has written thus far. The only thing more terrifying than that would be the Welch's Grape Juice Girl smacking her lips from the darkness. 'Shiver'

DAN :shock:


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Lol.


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What does this religion bollox have to do with the original poster's question????? Cut it out, folks, this is not the place for end- and fruitless discussions between firmly entrenched parties that will never reach a consensus. Leave the bible munchers to their fairy tales and their two millenium-old soap operas, and don't believe you can change their views. BTW, atheism is an irrational belief system, too, y'know. Munch on that, young padawans.....


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Aksel Raskstal wrote:
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LOL, it always cracks me up when people say this. You hold what is called the mythical view of Jesus which has been popularized mostly by non-historians. Outside of a few nut jobs, no respected historian holds the mythical view of Jesus. It would be akin to a respected biologist ignoring all aspects of evolution.


So.....you are pretty much confirming what I already said? I don't have any mythical views of Jesus any more than I would try to imagine the "reality" of Samson actually destroying an army of Phillistines with the jawbone of an ass. Those MotherF'ers had spears, bows, axes, and all kinds of other weapons. I don't care if Samson could bench press ten thousand pounds, he is not going to defeat an army of thousands any more than lepers would be healed by merely touching the robes of Abraham and John.

The Old and New Testaments are completely ridiculous, there is no "history" whatsoever.

What is your point? LOL?


You are completely misreading Jeremiah. You hold the "mythical" view of Jesus - in other words, the view that Jesus was a myth. As Jeremiah pointed out, legitimate historians generally accept that Jesus was a real person. Whether or not he was the son of God, performed miracles, rose from the dead, etc. is obviously up for debate and the historical record is unlikely to ever answer those questions, but to deny that he existed at all is a viewpoint that is contradicted by the most reasonable interpretations of the historical record.


p.s. - it's funny that you are "certain" that one guy who was around 2000 years ago didn't exist, but you aren't certain that an entire species of 500 lb primates that is supposedly around right now doesn't exist.


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If treatment is available I would take the scute. No necropsy. I'm not scared of big foot or clowns however when road cruising by my lonesome I often imagine zombies chewin on a dead guy around every corner. Lol it keeps me on the black top. I think zombies scare me because they can't be stopped with a couple 40 Cal lead projectiles smacked into there chest.

question is, if you found a injured baby bigfoot would you leave or bring it home and fear the wrath of a protective mother lurking around the corner. If it were me I would invite you all over to play with Harry my pet big foot. Hmmmm I wonder if he would get along with my abominable snow man :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: What crote would you rather be bitten by?
PostPosted: July 1st, 2010, 3:07 pm 

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There are actually multiple accounts of a baby bigfoot that was found at a railroad yard in British Columbia, and raised as a pet. It lived there for a number of years until it was hit by a train in it's teen years... stupid teenagers... I guess some things transcend even species lines... :lol: jim


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PostPosted: July 2nd, 2010, 11:43 am 

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Crotalus imaginarius ;)


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 Post subject: Re: What crote would you rather be bitten by?
PostPosted: September 21st, 2010, 4:20 pm 

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none.... :lol:


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