Andreas Kettenburg wrote:Thanks for the clarification guys. Yah, I assumed that what he meant, it just sounded so absurd.
"Expressed bad behavior on this forum could lead to other misbehaviors such as: attempt to cheat in sporting events, in board games with children, in their school or workplace, on their spouses, etc."
I agree that the sentence above sounds absurd, Andreas. It's not at all what I wrote, of course.
Do folks want to continue the game of misstating what an opponent said to try to make him look foolish, or shall we move on now?...
Aaron wrote:If it gives you hope Gerry I would say that bad behavior is on the internet is less indicitave of bad behavior in everyday life...
I hope you're right too, Aaron, but I fear you're not. It's generally been my experience away from the internet that if someone is willing to argue dishonestly (e.g. misstating his opponent's position to make it easier to argue against or ridicule) then he's willing to be dishonest in other ways, as well, and if he's willing to be dishonest about something small then he's also willing to do so about something big. I reckon different people are primarily motivated by different things, and to such people as I described in the last sentence honesty in whatever form may just be a pretty low priority; perhaps in these people what determines how honestly they behave is only a matter of whether they think they'll get caught or how serious the ramifications for being caught will be. But then that seems to suggest that they will behave differently here on the internet than in many other places, because here they can be anonymous and/or assume nothing will come back to them from their misbehavior for other reasons (e.g. physical distance between posters, lack of real interaction in each other's lives). So maybe there's more room for hope than has seemed to me to be the case. I'll think about it...
Aaron wrote:... face to face, probably within two or three minutes we'd have reached a clear undertanding of what each of us meant as well as an amicable conclusion. On the forums it always seems to take alot longer time and alot more effort to reach an amicable conclusion and what might seem like a lie might just be a misunderstanding due to the fact that most people can't type as fast as they can think or speak.
I certainly agree with this. That's largely why I find it so confusing that many people don't try harder to say just what they mean and mean just what they say in their internet posts. Speaking plainly might not be as much "fun" for some folks, but when all parties in a conversation endeavor to do so it can sure make that conversation easier and more productive. Again, I reckon that may just be a pretty low priority for a number of people, compared to things like winning an argument, getting a laugh out of making fun of others, etc.
Chris, I have herped with KW (but only once) and have seen him socially in other settings as well (but only a few times). He seemed a nice enough and interesting person while we were together. I'm not happy that after I invited him into my home to take pictures of a number of my animals with the understanding that he would provide me with copies of said pictures, he never delivered said pictures or even responded to my numerous requests for them, though. It was like as soon as he got what he wanted from me he decided to ignore me, and his promise to me be damned. Not cool at all.
Happy Independence Day, everyone!