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Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » July 18th, 2013, 8:37 pm

Two Spilotes clutches from this year
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First clutch
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If all goes well the second clutch should hatch around the end of August

These Pseustes sulphureus pics are older, but the female is starting to get some size (935g at the last weigh in) and should be ready to breed by 2015
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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Sam Bacchini » July 18th, 2013, 8:42 pm

Wow, they look great! Nice to see people working with out of the ordinary species.

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Post by VICtort » July 18th, 2013, 10:03 pm

Outstanding! We rarely see these, congratulations. Where do you think your founder stock originates? They are unlike most I have seen. I hope you will give us progress reports. Are the hatchlings easy rodent feeders?

Great work with big and challenging species. :thumb:

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Post by Kelly Mc » July 18th, 2013, 10:33 pm

Fantasic :thumb:

I love those neos - little slice n' dicers!

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Post by justinm » July 19th, 2013, 12:20 pm

These all look great, but both Genus are notoriously difficult to house properly. Can you show off the setup you're using?

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » July 19th, 2013, 1:51 pm

Thanks gila.

Vic, my best guess is that they're Central American. When I worked at LSUMNS I looked through the Spilotes there, and the ones from the Yucatan, Honduras, and Belize area looked the most similar. I've found the same thing by looking at pictures online. They're certainly different from the imports coming out of South America. There is usually a mix of babies that will take f/t right away, some that hold out for live, and others that hold out for quail. Overall they aren't too bad, but there is usually one or two per clutch that make things very difficult.

Thanks Kelly. As Jason Hood would say, they go Freddy Krueger on those eggs. :lol:

Justin, here is the Spilotes set up
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Same set up behind me
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The top and bottom are connected by a hole in between them, and I leave the hole open except for things like feeding and egg laying. The male Pseustes is in the same type of set up by himself until the female gets big enough to join him.

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Post by Sam Bacchini » July 19th, 2013, 3:11 pm

Is that a blue beauty you are holding there?

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Post by SurfinHerp » July 19th, 2013, 8:06 pm

Awesome snakes John!! Wish I had room for something that size.

Thanks for sharing the pics and info.


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Post by John Andermann » July 19th, 2013, 8:45 pm

Yep, he's a blue beauty.

Thanks Jeff. They do take a lot of space. My apartment is basically just a bed, desk, and snake cages. :lol:

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Post by Kelly Mc » July 19th, 2013, 10:14 pm

Its wonderful. Its very attractive but the thing thats the best is how it gives the snakes the opportunity to use their physical gifts.

Your very cool. Thank you for sharing and I would really like to see more pics when you can post more.

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Post by regalringneck » July 20th, 2013, 7:10 am

... cant quite formulate a sentence ... but hottdamn & sweet come to mind ... : }

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Post by Martti Niskanen » July 20th, 2013, 8:19 am

Congrats on the clutch. A wonderful and beautiful species that's very difficult to get here in Europe. Looked for these for years when I used to keep snakes, but no luck. Occasionally some wc, but I don't buy wc.

Justin: Why are they difficult to house properly? Has it got to do with the size and activity, or other keeping conditions (temps, temperature changes, humidity)?

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Post by Sam Bacchini » July 20th, 2013, 9:35 am

John Andermann wrote:My apartment is basically just a bed, desk, and snake cages. :lol:
Sounds like my bedroom when I was a teenager, except I didn't have a desk...

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Post by gretzkyrh4 » July 20th, 2013, 6:16 pm

Good stuff John! Guess this confirms last year wasn't a fluke. You clearly know the secret formula when it comes to those guys. A few more years of success and it'll be time to start working on a book on the captive husbandry and breeding of Spilotes.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » July 21st, 2013, 1:41 pm

Thanks Kelly and regal. :)

Martti, I've heard the same thing from a few people in Europe. I'm working on sending a few babies to Hamm for a friend in the UK. If that works out then I might see about doing it again later. The demand for them in the US is high enough as is, so I've been keeping most of the babies here with the exception of a few that went to Canada last year.

Chris, this is actually the third year. :) The babies you saw in 2011 were from the first 2 clutches, then I got 2 more last year as well. I've been approached to write the Spilotes section for a "rat snake" book in the making, so I'll probably do that.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Jason_Hood » July 21st, 2013, 4:53 pm

This is why you are the man! That sulphureus is looking awesome!!

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Post by gretzkyrh4 » July 21st, 2013, 7:04 pm

John Andermann wrote:
Chris, this is actually the third year. :) The babies you saw in 2011 were from the first 2 clutches, then I got 2 more last year as well. I've been approached to write the Spilotes section for a "rat snake" book in the making, so I'll probably do that.
Gotcha, for some reason I was thinking you gave them last year off. Congrats again.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » July 22nd, 2013, 11:29 pm

Jason, you need to post some recent pictures of your big colubrids. :)

Chris, I was considering giving them off with the move last August, so I might have told you that once while we were herping.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Terry » August 2nd, 2013, 4:49 pm

Love, love, LOVE seeing cb Spilotes.

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Post by FrogO_Oeyes » February 6th, 2014, 12:08 pm

P.sulphureus is being transferred to Spilotes, which results in all other Pseustes being assigned to Phrynonax.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » February 6th, 2014, 6:26 pm

Me too Terry!

Frog eyes, yeah that is a cool paper. I was a bit torn before, but now I can officially say Spilotes is the coolest genus.

Since this got bumped back up, I figured I'd put up a few more pics. Things are looking pretty good this year with some courtship and breeding activity already.
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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Aaron » February 6th, 2014, 11:23 pm

Awesome snakes.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Kfen » February 11th, 2014, 10:43 am

Congrats on the success with such awesome snakes! I have always wanted spilotes, but just don't have the room to set them up right. Is there something wrong with the female's eye? Im referring to the second pic of the original post.

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Post by John Andermann » February 12th, 2014, 1:07 pm

Thanks guys! Kfen, I think its just the way the reflection looks on her supraocular.
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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Kfen » February 14th, 2014, 9:39 am

Yeah, it just looked like her eye was bulged out, glad to hear she is ok. She is a beautiful snake.

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Scott Waters » March 14th, 2014, 4:28 pm

Looking forward to your spilotes article in Herp Nation Magazine. :)

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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by John Andermann » March 16th, 2014, 9:57 pm

You know it Scott! If all of these females with confirmed matings take and lay fertile clutches, I'll have a pretty incredible year. I'm saving most of my high quality pics and juicy info for the article. ;)
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Re: Spilotes and Pseustes

Post by Sam Bacchini » March 19th, 2014, 8:40 am

I'm looking forward to working with you on that as well. :)

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