Eggeating snakes(Dasypeltis medici medici) revisited.

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Eggeating snakes(Dasypeltis medici medici) revisited.

Post by Joseph S. » April 18th, 2011, 10:34 pm

Those of you on the CBF forum have seen plenty of these guys, but they are just so cool I figure I would post more photos. My adult female is now about 3 feet in length and eats chicken eggs(from the supermarket) as well as quail eggs. I cooled them both somewhat for about a month and then warmed them up. However, I did not observe any mating even though the male appeared interested in the female prior to cooling. I wonder if perhaps I should have kept/be keeping them seperate as they now ignore each other living together.
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mom+baby. The 2 CB babies I produced last year grew from 8 inches to about 13 inches in the span of a few months and last I heard are eating finch eggs for their new owner who is fortunate enough to have a constant supply of them.(babies were raised mainly on tube feeding)

shot this neat series of my female tackling her first chicken egg...incredible to observe. I have since shot video of her swallowing a chicken egg. Quail eggs are now like little m&m's for her.
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Post by Paul White » April 19th, 2011, 5:16 am

Do the sterilized/unfertilized eggs at the supermarket provide the nutrients she needs?

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Post by monklet » April 19th, 2011, 11:49 am

Photo series of the decade!!! Flamin' awesome!

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Post by Joseph S. » April 19th, 2011, 12:44 pm

Monklet: Wait till you see the video!

Paul: Some people claim fertilized eggs are necessary and biotin deficiency will occur without them. Others disagree.

I try to get both quail and chicken eggs. I also occasionally get eggs from a feedstore which are meant for hatching so are fertile. It would be interesting to see what would happen to a facultative eggeater fed only eggs.(ex. ratsnake...would it end up with some kind of nutritional deficiency?)

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Post by Paul White » April 19th, 2011, 4:53 pm

oh, what do hatchery eggs cost and how long can you keep 'em/ That might make egg layers more viable!

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Post by Hans Breuer (twoton) » April 19th, 2011, 6:21 pm

Wow.

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Post by Joseph S. » April 19th, 2011, 7:23 pm

Paul: Quail eggs cost about 10cents each. The feedstore has hatching quail eggs for 5-25 cents each depending on how many they have at the time. They can be kept in the fridge for a month or two. Eggeaters have proven themselves extremely cheap and easy to feed compared to other snakes.

Hans: Wow indeed. No one believes upon seeing me put a chicken egg in with her that she can eat it. She happily proves them wrong. At first she was quite shy about eating but now she is tame enough that I can hold her in one hand and have her take a quail egg from my other hand.

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Post by Paul White » April 19th, 2011, 8:46 pm

if i find a reliable source for eggs I'm damn well going to try it one day. I like the abnormal stuff

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Post by Joseph S. » April 21st, 2011, 1:43 pm

Same-it is neat to see people keeping species that few others work with. I think eggeaters have many great qualities that could even make(adult) LTC or CB eggeaters good "pet" snakes even.

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Post by Verhoodled » April 22nd, 2011, 7:28 am

Incredible photo series! Thanks for sharing those. That's terrific you've been able to breed such a fascinating species.

There's something comical about photo #4 that I can't put my finger on: the one chilling in the container while the parent chows away. Gary Larson would know how to caption it.

How is post-digestive clean-up? I fed a Northern pine farm fresh eggs only twice, as the aftermath of both meals was rather messy.

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Post by Gary2sons » April 22nd, 2011, 6:46 pm

Have enjoyed this post more than once!

Great feeding pics of a very interesting snake.

Are they ever fed anything else? Or do they survive entirely on eggs in the wild and in captivity?

Good luck with your breeding program!

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Post by Joseph S. » April 23rd, 2011, 9:50 am

Verhoodled: That is actually the male. Male eggeaters stay much smaller than females-never get to chicken egg eatin size that's for sure. quail eggs are about as big as they go.

These guys do produce rather pasty poo, but if you have them on somewhat absorbent substrate it should not be a problem. Haven't found it any worse than other colubrids to clean up.

Gary2sons: Eggs only-nothing else in the wild or captivity. They appear to be solely bird egg specialists although some hobbyists in Europe have reported success feeding newly hatched babies small hard shelled gecko eggs, and even Giant African land snail eggs. However, in the wild baby eggeaters almost certainly start on eggs of small estrildid finches. Their is a report of a captive Dasypeltis atra taking a goose egg which is absolutely incredible-considering D. atra is considered one of the more moderate size Dasypeltis. I believe D. inornata is the biggest species and they are common henhouse raiders in South Africa. I'd love to get my hands on a few different species of eggeaters but sporadic imports and lack of funds for a college student makes that a bit of a pipedream at the moment. But one things for sure is that it is a hell lot easier to convince roomates about a few eggs in the fridge than a bag of mice in the freezer!

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Post by Verhoodled » April 24th, 2011, 8:40 am

Joseph S. wrote:Verhoodled: That is actually the male. Male eggeaters stay much smaller than females-never get to chicken egg eatin size that's for sure. quail eggs are about as big as they go.

These guys do produce rather pasty poo, but if you have them on somewhat absorbent substrate it should not be a problem. Haven't found it any worse than other colubrids to clean up.
That's what I love about these forums: learning something new every day. Thanks for the info and pics of the species, Joseph. It's not hard to appreciate their appeal. :thumb:

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Post by Scott Waters » April 24th, 2011, 9:20 am

Look for our interview with Joseph on HNL coming soon! Joseph shares not only his insight into working with this genus, but also some video of one eating an egg! Good stuff. Will post it in the coming days.

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Post by Joseph S. » May 17th, 2011, 4:56 pm

Scott and co. definetly put together a neat video!

Update on this girl, she's going into shed, and even though I didn't see her and the male mate this year I suspect she is gravid and this could be the prelay shed. Is their any way to know for sure? I tried feeling for lumps last year but it seemed inconclusive. Will "candling" work? I know if you hold snakes under a bright enough of a light you can see the heart beating and in smaller specimens the GI tract...dunno about eggs though. She is getting noticeably thicker towards the rear.

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Post by Paul White » May 17th, 2011, 7:35 pm

I have a hard time with feeling eggs too, so it isn't just you. Maybe comes with practice, but I couldn't tell in my kings this year.

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Post by Joseph S. » May 28th, 2011, 9:04 am

She got to the point where you could see bumps if you lifted her up and her rear end dangled.

After getting very restless and rubbing her nose a good bit on the screen-she's curled up in the laybox and laying eggs at this moment.

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Post by Joseph S. » June 19th, 2011, 8:36 pm

3 eggs in the incubator...8 infertile eggs tossed. Clearly the male didn't do his job but this species is known to retain sperm so I remain hopeful for the 3 eggs.

I got a quick and dirty measurement of the rather uncooperative female and she is at least 110 cm-or 3.6 ft!

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