Another side note: I have been on a few outings when some people got a little upset because people had collection permits for animals being collected for DNA reasons.
I, too, have experienced a few herp related trips where an unknown person shows up with a permit asking for help collecting whatever it is they need at the time. I respect science immensely, but having a permit doesn’t mean squat to me, especially if I don’t know this person or have a clue what kind of research they’re doing (other than what they tell me in a quick 5 min recap). For me, it puts a damper on a herp trip when you weren’t expecting “unknown permit dude” and now feel obligated to share your finds because “unknown permit dude” (henceforth called UPD) has a permit.
The other problem I have with UPD is showing him places where some of the harder to find herps are located. What’s to prevent UPD from telling other UPD’s that if they need to find rare herp XYZ, he knows a spot to find them? If UPD needs XYZ herp, they sure as hell aren’t going to “find their own spot” when someone has taken them to a location they know has XYZ herp.
Most people I know that occasionally collect. ONE ANIMAL WILL NOT PHASE A POPULATION!
I agree William. Though I don't keep much personally, I see nothing wrong with an occasional wild caught pet. One or two snakes will not harm any populations, dozens a day will in my opinion.
Collecting one or two herps isn’t my concern, Fringe Collector Dude is my concern. FCD isn’t really that interested in field herping or being outdoors for that matter, he’ll tag along with friends who field herp and occasionally collect a snake now and then. FCD has a few other FCD friends and once in a while they go out on their own after being exposed to some decent spots to herp (it’s easier than looking for their own spots). One of the FCD’s happens to know a commercial collector dude (CCD) and they get to talking over a few beers. CCD says he’s been looking for a ABC snake, and not wanting to look like a geek, FCD tells him he knows a great spot for ABC snakes.
WTH! actually... just kidding... my head was spinning with so many abbreviations...that one just came out.
Generally speaking, at our Nafha surveys (here in Ca) only the hosting entity can request or do any collecting. And we addressed the problem of uninvited 'guests' at the surveys, by stipulating that members from other chapters were (and are) welcome, if they ask in advance (which is simply good manners).
My other reason for posting is to mention one more type of person who might just show up, which I believe I've seen twice. F&GP (plant) guy. Guy shows up at several nafha events I lead, (back in the days of our 'open to the public outings'... Nobody knows him from Adam, or even heard of him before. Says he just likes to travel the country, to herp... FL, TX, AZ, and now Ca. UmmmHummmm. Went by the name 'HippieFlipper'....but WAY to young to be a hippy (22/23?) Never seen a post from him, or heard anything about him since.
I could be wrong, but don't think I am... Please correct me if I am HP...
I didn't really care... nice enough guy... knew his herps and how to herp... and nothing gets collected at an event I"M hosting (far as I know. That said, what folks do on their way to and from the event is up to them) We now (Nafha Ca.) have a survey FOR Ca. F&G in the offing...
But yeah... that's ONE of the reasons Ca Nafha has moved away from 'open to the public' outings... places we held outings were invariably getting thrashed and over-herped...