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 Post subject: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 19th, 2012, 4:45 pm 
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http://www.naherp.com/user/view-data-re ... p?dr_id=14

Half the records associated with this request do not have specific locations listed in them. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Update your records if they are included!


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 19th, 2012, 7:51 pm 
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I was going to post this to the request page, but decided my rant was better posed here:

This dude is a phD and thats the best description he can come up with? How can anyone make a decision on their data based on this description? Requests should be a formal process, you know something that we take serious, not something typed up in 2 seconds. We need a page dedicated to "instructions for submitting a request", and when people contact Don for the first time they need to be directed to that page.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 12:12 am 
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I didn't have a problem with his request, it sounds like an interesting project.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 5:05 am 
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While I half agree with Nate, I think what NAHERP needs most is street cred at this point. If he was asking for a species of concern, I would expect a little more effort.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 5:52 am 
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spinifer wrote:
I was going to post this to the request page, but decided my rant was better posed here:

This dude is a phD and thats the best description he can come up with? How can anyone make a decision on their data based on this description? Requests should be a formal process, you know something that we take serious, not something typed up in 2 seconds. We need a page dedicated to "instructions for submitting a request", and when people contact Don for the first time they need to be directed to that page.


This was just what he sent me via email, it technically fit the requirements for a data request. I had asked in the IB if anyone had comments about it, no one seemed to have any major issues. I have a copy of his CV if you want to review it.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 6:22 am 
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This should be a members only conversation.. IMO..


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 7:05 am 
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Not everyone who submits data is a member of a chapter.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 7:16 am 
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I am not referring to the data request post itself, just the conversation we are having about what the requester should or shouldn't do..

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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 7:47 am 
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Why? Not all requestors are members, and it would be nice if they could see what is going on so they know how to present requests in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 7:49 am 
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To avoid having data requesters see comments like this..

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This dude is a phD and thats the best description he can come up with?


Fundad

But I ll leave it alone if you guys want to do this publicly.. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 20th, 2012, 7:54 am 
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Personally, I think my data request format kicks butt. Check out the second one from today, or any of my three so far. :thumb: 8-) Yes, I'm proud. Look for more from my contacts before Spring Migrations start!


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 8:36 pm 
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I think the request sounds pretty good, at least for these not so sensitive herps. I would like to know who person works for, university, or whatever, if it were me giving the data. However, my concern is that of others I'm associated with that worry about who or what organization the data goes to. In that respect, I agree that we should be careful about who is requesting data and should have some requirements that help data owners understand the situation better. Just my 2 cents.

Terry


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2012, 8:45 pm 
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brick911 wrote:
Personally, I think my data request format kicks butt. Check out the second one from today, or any of my three so far. :thumb: 8-) Yes, I'm proud. Look for more from my contacts before Spring Migrations start!



Brick, was that request for the Pine Barrens data on your form? If so, that one is pretty cool. Thanks...

Terry :thumb:


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 5:29 am 
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Yeah... I've just been following the same format for all my requests. I actually ask a lot of questions and do the pertinent research, then write it up for them. Then I have them proofread it, change it, add to it, correct it, etc.

I find that that way, I am able to provide all the answers to the questions I would ask - already in the data request.

I'm not a fan of sitting back and waiting for people to come to us. I'd rather market us to the state agencies, and sell our product. I've been talking to Ph.D.'s and big shot biologists, and I'm in essence, a nobody. They have all been very nice and willing to do the extra work to get our info into their system.


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 Post subject: Re: New Data Request - Jan 20, 2012
PostPosted: January 24th, 2012, 12:14 pm 
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Bob your data request does kick butt.. :thumb:

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