My water line busted, and we've got plumbers out here right now...one of them turned up a woodhouse's toad about 2' down. I'd always been under the impression their burrows were relatively shallow, like a few inches, but this fellow was way the hell down resting on the water pipe. Does anyone know of any studies about just how deeply they burrow and maybe population density? They've found 3-4 just digging out to the spigot to run a temporary line, all of them fairly submerged. I've known I had them around--I know at least 4 individuals (one of which is gigantic, nearly fist sized). But I had no idea there were that many in my yard.
I'm gonna digging a 50' trench afterwards (to knock money off the bill I'm digging the rest of thel ine out myself) and plan to record how many I find underground and at what depths...that'll take my mind off the blisters at least
How deep do toads dig?
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
I can't site any studies, but my magic conjecture answer is: They dig in direct correlation with environmental conditions.
For example: In spring when it is cool and wet, they likely stay close to the surface where temps and moisture are optimal, while in summer they may burrow deeper to find those conditions.
In winter it is the same. They burrow up or down in response to changes in temperature to maintain optimal conditions.
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For example: In spring when it is cool and wet, they likely stay close to the surface where temps and moisture are optimal, while in summer they may burrow deeper to find those conditions.
In winter it is the same. They burrow up or down in response to changes in temperature to maintain optimal conditions.
Dan
Re: How deep do toads dig?
Hopefully forum member "Schell" will chime in. He's told me of some mind-boggling depths but I don't want to quote from memory. You might try PMing him.
Re: How deep do toads dig?
Haha! How did I know I'd be called out on this. Well superficially I found this reference, although I've heard some accounts of them being found deeper, but I'd rather not publish here-say if I can't come up with a reference for it. It sounds like these are the exception and most are within 1 meter of the surface.
"There is a case where a spadefoot was found 15 feet below the surface (Bragg, 1965)."
Bragg, A.N. Gnomes of the Night. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1965.
"There is a case where a spadefoot was found 15 feet below the surface (Bragg, 1965)."
Bragg, A.N. Gnomes of the Night. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1965.
Re: How deep do toads dig?
Toads are darn good diggers, enough so to get below the frost-line for the winter.
Re: How deep do toads dig?
Not trying to change the subject, but in retrospect does anyone know how deep Heterodon spp. will dig in search of toads? I've heard accounts of several inches but not much beyond that.
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Frost-line? What's that? Hahaha. Down here, the frost-line is generally considered to be one inch. In truth it is probably less. The heat line on the other hand is probably over a foot. If you don't bury your water lines deep enough, your "cold" water will be nearly as warm as your hot water in summer.Matt J wrote:Toads are darn good diggers, enough so to get below the frost-line for the winter.
Down here, I'm assuming they either need to dig nearly two feet OR find a shaded and vegetated location that holds the humidity and cooler temps at shallower depths.
I'm wondering if the ones that Paul found were drawn there by an undetected slow leak in that water line.
I guess the short answer is, "they dig as deep as they need to". That need will be determined by humidity, temps, soil conditions, and probably some other less obvious factors. As for the one reported to be 15 feet down, I suspect it didn't truly "dig" that deep. It likely took advantage of burrows, fissures, or other pre-existing voids. The ground in many places out here is full of all sorts of small voids.
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
We have found H. nasicus ~18" below the surface in the summer (and I am sure they go deeper than that). In the winter our frost line is ~3-5ft deep, so they need to dig deeper than that.BradB wrote:Not trying to change the subject, but in retrospect does anyone know how deep Heterodon spp. will dig in search of toads? I've heard accounts of several inches but not much beyond that.
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
city code says lines go 2' down so that's where they go here...never had one freeze.
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
haha, we have to burry our water lines 6' deep here. I've heard that the spadefoots have no problem digging 1m deep, so perhaps that's average?
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
On an semi-related note, anyone see that note on the Bufo bufo they caught on camera 300+ft below the surface in Loch Ness? Pretty sure it was in Herp Review. Now thats a cool find.
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
Is that what Nessie feeds upon?Crotalus wrote:On an semi-related note, anyone see that note on the Bufo bufo they caught on camera 300+ft below the surface in Loch Ness? Pretty sure it was in Herp Review. Now thats a cool find.
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Re: How deep do toads dig?
We don't have to bury our hot/cold water lines here and there's no such thing as a frost line.
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Crotalus wrote:On an semi-related note, anyone see that note on the Bufo bufo they caught on camera 300+ft below the surface in Loch Ness? Pretty sure it was in Herp Review. Now thats a cool find.
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I saw this. It was in Herp. Rev. a couple of years back.
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Wow that's in sane. What was it doing down there? I've never thought of bufo as aquatic beyond breeding endeavors.
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