Red diamond rattlesnake lifer




Arroyo toad? lifer

Almost clarus longnose


Got too cold after a couple of passes. Saw one other herper who had only seen a coleonyx so we called it quits early.
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I'd check that out with CDFW first...Does the SSC listing mean we cannot move them off the road?
No.
Definitely the "good" thing to do (save wildlife from getting hit) BUT, it would really depend upon the warden and the circumstances. Not to nitpick but being a "Good Samaritan" could very well back fire on someone and I would hate to see someone go through the ringer because a warden does not care to sort it out in the field; in light of any confusion, they would simply write the ticket and let a judge figure it out (plus there are wardens who really don't care, what they do care about is giving a ticket and once you are in the "system" you will learn just how dysfunctional our justice system can be). Having someone that is totally out of touch with game law deciding my fate (especially in an election year as an example) is not something I care to experience. Take the safe bet and double check with CDFW, better to find out the easy way than the hard way in my book. It may sound altruistic or plain nutz, but if you end up in the court system and playing with them for awhile over a snake, I guarantee you that in hind sight you would of let that snake get smashed once you learned that saving it was going to cost you in time and money.The problem would be there is no right answer other than no problem. It's part of being a "Good Samaritan".
Removing animals threatened (by traffic) is not against any law.
blah, blah, blah, .....
Do the right thing or don't.
Worry about "the man", or be the man....
I would have expected a more mature response from an adult, you sound like some of my students. Ignorant sums up both your attitude and your post(s) which was obviously confrontational from the get go (remember the blah, blah, blah part?)... PM ignored and deletedI am 60 years old, you ignorant freak.
The speck was not planted.
I think you are just paranoid.
pm sent...
It gives them an excuse. Once you take the bait they can stop you and have probable cause to harass you , root thru your stuff etc. Maybe even write up a BS citation for who knows what to pad the numbers.By the way, if you are stopped by a fake snake and go pick it up.
What can they do?
The question was if you are stopped by a fake snake and go pick it up.You call it harass, I call it simple contact.
Originally I was wanting to quote this for its usefulness in what I like to think of as the topography of Toad Heads. There is often such a sea of contention about markings and colors in herps but the structure are the songs that remain the same. And they are equally beautiful - especially up close.Jimi wrote:@OP
Re: the toad ID, anurans can be tricky especially if you just rely on fairly plastic, and easily masked or distorted, characters like pigmentation. Structural characters are better. With bufonids & pelobatids, structures like spades, bosses, cranial crests, and parotoid glands are things you want to look at, every time. Are they there? What is their shape, their size, their orientation and location? Stuff like that.
Look at this:
http://www.californiaherps.com/identifi ... dskey.html
Thanks for the vicarious trip, and the pics.
cheers
I to have seen hammondii there, but down lower. A picture of it I posted at the other large herp site got me an email from someone asking to buy my "wild" caught, a term used several times in the email. Hmmm fish and game maybe?? I politely replied that I did not collect it and it would be illegal for me to sell it if I had, nothing more from the prospective buyer.craigb wrote:rpecora...
I have seen Thamnophis hammondii on Whitewater twice, way up near the back.
Yes it is different. Walking a shoreline checking fishing licenses involves checking people who are fishing or in possession of fishing gear. LE are not leaving fishing rods on the beech hoping someone picks one up and starts casting. The marine patrol aren't that desperate to look busy. Making a few passes on a notorious snake road might be considered probable cause but that's a grey area especially if the stop involves a search. The Fourth Amendment comes into play its different then someone stopping to investigate what they been have been tricked into thinking is a protected species. At that point the person is a legitimate suspect.While I don't necessarily disagree with you (semantics I guess), FG is checking for licenses, no different than walking a shoreline checking fishing licenses, no baiting required...by them.
If you make a few passes on a notorious snake road, that too is probable cause.
They still do this . Absolutely LE trolls this site. That's all theses clowns do. They have dedicated officers that do nothing but make in the range of six figures sitting on their ass's all day trolling the internet. Looking for what ? A small time guy with a couple turtles or maybe a rattlesnake. That's all these DK's ever come up with and that's few and far in between. The only place reptile bust are big is in the press. There is real crime that needs to addressed and it has nothing to with snakes and lizards. Reptile nonsense is the last thing anybody should be worried about.gcsnelling: Do you remember the "Recycler" newspaper. It was basically a prehistoric Craigslist. I used to see ads for tiger kittens, civet cats, various birds of prey, ferrets, crocodiles and all forms poached animals. These ads were all placed by law enforcement officers waiting for callers to incriminate themselves by giving their names, addresses, and the fact that they really needed a mate for their other (insert name of poached animal). People with poached animals would often brag about them (not smart). There were lots of huge stings and busts in those days.
Great analogy. Like I stated "While I don't necessarily disagree with you...", not entrapment either just checking for licenses. However your point is taken as LE uses this type of sting (practice) for other actual illegal vices as well.Walking a shoreline checking fishing licenses involves checking people who are fishing or in possession of fishing gear. LE are not leaving fishing rods on the beech hoping someone picks one up and starts casting.