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How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by stlouisdude » December 5th, 2016, 8:29 pm

I postulate that my path from full blown and unapolegetic supporter of environmentalists to complete disdain for these people is not an uncommon trajectory. I freely admit that upon my first login to this site, I had no doubts that the personnel at local nature centers knew best and that organizations such as "Defenders of Wildlife" had nothing but the best of intentions. The fact is, it's only been six years and change since I've joined this site and my opinions have done a 360! The people I held in high regard, I often now hold in high contempt. I am sure I must not be alone in this opnion and the more facts I gather, the stronger my opinion on the subject grows. My opinion of people who are classified as scientists remains neutral, the older they are, the more I find I tend to find their opinions fair and balanced, but of the type of people that call themselves environmentalists, I tend to find them as relatively useless individuals willing to say or do anything regardless of the ethical implications.

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Post by Jeroen Speybroeck » December 6th, 2016, 12:19 am

stlouisdude wrote:I postulate that my path from full blown and unapolegetic supporter of environmentalists to complete disdain for these people is not an uncommon trajectory. I freely admit that upon my first login to this site, I had no doubts that the personnel at local nature centers knew best and that organizations such as "Defenders of Wildlife" had nothing but the best of intentions. The fact is, it's only been six years and change since I've joined this site and my opinions have done a 360! The people I held in high regard, I often now hold in high contempt. I am sure I must not be alone in this opnion and the more facts I gather, the stronger my opinion on the subject grows. My opinion of people who are classified as scientists remains neutral, the older they are, the more I find I tend to find their opinions fair and balanced, but of the type of people that call themselves environmentalists, I tend to find them as relatively useless individuals willing to say or do anything regardless of the ethical implications.
360° = 0°

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by daniel » December 6th, 2016, 7:44 am

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:360° = 0°
Thank you :)

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by WSTREPS » December 7th, 2016, 1:15 pm

George Carlin, brilliant and on the money.

George Carlin - Saving Endangered Species is Wrong!


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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by mtratcliffe » December 8th, 2016, 5:54 pm

WSTREPS wrote:George Carlin, brilliant and on the money.

George Carlin - Saving Endangered Species is Wrong!

A solid, evidence-based analysis of the subject. Where did he get his degree from?

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Antonsrkn » December 8th, 2016, 6:07 pm

So what do you define as an environmentalist?

The dictionary definition is pretty broad:
en·vi·ron·men·tal·ist
1.
a person who is concerned with or advocates the protection of the environment.
synonyms: conservationist, preservationist, ecologist, nature lover; More

I don't believe that you're saying you hold in contempt anyone who is concerned with the protection of the environment. So what is it that you're getting at?

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Fieldnotes » December 8th, 2016, 8:39 pm

:shock:

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Bryan Hamilton » December 8th, 2016, 9:09 pm

Can you present some more evidence that the climate is "actually cooling"? I'm not willing to take Mark Levine's word on this.

The climate is changing due to combustion of fossil fuels, generally warming at a predictable rate. This warming is having a litany of ecological consequences rising sea levels, warming oceans, and loss of glaciers. In terms of biodiversity, there will be winners and losers, but overall we are losing biodiversity as a result of human caused climate change. Call me a lemming if you must but lemmings are cool and feed a lot of snowy owls, a relationship intimately related to climate change.


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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Bryan Hamilton » December 9th, 2016, 12:00 pm

Fieldnotes,

Out of curiosity, why do you delete some of your posts?

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by MCHerper » December 9th, 2016, 6:43 pm

Stlouisdude, I'm interested in hearing some examples of what happened to bring you to feel this way?

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » December 9th, 2016, 7:20 pm

Bryan, perhaps it is a way of making a statement and then making sure it isnt a permanent one, in the case of alienation of potential customer base of a cottage industry type pursuit.

a person may harangue a person for their political beliefs, yet wouldnt turn down their money.

I cant think of any other reason why someone wouldnt remain accountable to their own strongly expressed comment.

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Post by Fieldnotes » December 10th, 2016, 2:18 pm

Bryan Hamilton wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you delete some of your posts?
Sometimes I post after tossing a couple down. Then in the morning, I realize, i don't want to bother explaining or debating. I feel, it would be ruder to post something and never respond than to delete it. I suppose its kind'a like "buyers remorse." And as Kelly put it, I'm not a follower of political correctness and I don't need that permanently record. Perhaps my son will be the leader of the Free-world someday, heck, if Trump did it, anyone, accept Hillary can do it. But more than not being PC, I realize later, I just don't want to follow up to post-after-post. Then a month later, bam, its back at the top of the forum, and things start all over again.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » December 10th, 2016, 3:41 pm

:thumb:

That honesty is fantastically refreshing

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Tamara D. McConnell » December 11th, 2016, 8:14 am

That honesty is fantastically refreshing
I agree!

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Coluber Constrictor » December 11th, 2016, 3:16 pm

this thread gave me cancer.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by FunkyRes » May 21st, 2017, 8:59 pm

I use to be a human-caused climate change denier. Circa 2000 or so.

I no longer deny we are causing it. We are, and it is bad, very bad.

Not sure when I switched.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Coluber Constrictor » August 22nd, 2017, 3:19 pm

this is how I've come to disdain herpers

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Brian Hubbs » August 24th, 2017, 6:10 pm

Don't worry...Trump is going to fix everything. He's going to make America great again. It's going to be Amazing and Terrific...and I'm sure the new coal mines and steel mills will have no effect on global warming... :roll:

So, I got here late...what is the point of this thread anyway? :|

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by ebit123 » August 28th, 2017, 11:53 am

I was hoping the OP would come back and elaborate. All I can think is some in the field of environmentalism may go in with pure scientific intentions, but end up being swayed by politics or consumed with bureaucratic matters, and he/she had negative interactions with such people

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by John Martin » August 30th, 2017, 11:44 pm

Coluber Constrictor wrote:this thread gave me cancer.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by zonata » September 26th, 2017, 4:01 pm

HSUS & PETA are targeting "ALL" pets, pet owners, and breeders! These two radical animal rights groups and others have been attacking our American Freedoms for a long time using scare tactics (including advocating TERRORIST activities like arson by setting fires and bombing businesses), falsified reports, and phony research to get our government to unfairly strip us of our rights to own pets!

THINK WE'RE KIDDING? Years ago they tried to get House Resolution 669 passed that would have change how the US government classifies animals that are not native to the United States. Animals such as many Reptiles and Amphibians (from around the world); Hamsters (Syria); Gerbils (Asia, India, Africa); Guinea Pigs (Peru); Chinchillas (Chile, Bolivia, Argentina and Peru); Tropical Birds like Parrots, Parakeets, Cockatiels, even Finches (from around the world); both Tropical and Saltwater Fish; many Invertebrates like pet Tarantulas; and many others would have been effected by this bill had it passed and it would have made YOU & YOUR CHILDREN an instant criminal for just having them

THEY WANT TO KILL THE ENTIRE PET INDUSTRY, (INCLUDING CATS & DOGS) PUTTING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS OUT OF WORK!

Many of these far left liberal nut jobs have infiltrated many of our government's agencies like the USFS, BLM, NPS, USF&W, EPA and now work for them while destroying our liberties and freedoms from within! Others have backed many "Environmental Groups" that also want to keep hard working Americans from being able to make out an honest living from a MULTI-MILLION dollar pet industry.

I have come to realize that there is a "HUGE DIFFERENCE" between the Corrupt Cultish Environmental Movement and what I refer to as Conservation.

Environmental groups like PETA, HSUS, EARTH LIBERATION FRONT, Green Peace, and Earth First (to name but a few) and,...
Legitimate and Law abiding Conservation Groups who actually care for both the animals and the habitat they live in "ARE NOT THE SAME!"

Conservation Groups like Ducks Unlimited, National Wild Turkey Federation, Quail Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Safari Club International, Trout Unlimited, The Federation of Flyfishers, have done more to clean up once destroyed habitat and reintroduce many native species back into their historical range where they belong then any "So-called animal rights group has, or even would do.

Many of these true heroes working for conservation groups have worked diligently to both purchase property (improving nesting grounds, watersheds, shelter, and availability of natural food sources for "ALL" species of animals) and on property already owned for the enjoyment of not just hunters and fishermen, but for all present and future generations of Americans who enjoy the great outdoors!

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » September 26th, 2017, 5:53 pm

Peta, Humane Society etc etc dont really care or know about reptiles.

We are all they got and its either wishy washy "I dont have thoughts on it one way or another.."

Or a hannibal lecterism of inert brain pathways and salivating consumption.

We are all they got and we need to do it better.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » September 26th, 2017, 7:46 pm

To not surpass the condition that we live in a market dominated society and allow that to be a preoccupation in the value grid of decisions about wild animals, while calling out the "abominations" done to scientific integrity shows how out of touch with original reality some peoples positions are.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » September 27th, 2017, 12:49 pm

Hey I really didnt mean to be mean spirited about the Hannibal Lecter personification.

The character of Dr Lecter was intelligent, well respected professionally and piously convinced of his own rationale - his "prey" were only those he deemed lesser than, and expendable.

Emotions as a capacity arent bad or weak, they allow us to detect, resist, intervene and act in relationship with knowledge.

The more capacities the better imo

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Post by jonathan » September 27th, 2017, 10:31 pm

Kelly Mc wrote:Peta, Humane Society etc etc dont really care or know about reptiles.

It kills me when people call them "environmentalists". There is a giant gap between "environmentalists" and "animal rights activists" like those two. It's technically possible to be both at the same time, but it's not automatic or even natural.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Kelly Mc » September 28th, 2017, 11:17 am

Its tricky. Lables, Groups.

There is a real opportunity for examining definitions and intention in the herp genre.

Alot of hitchhiking on ideologies takes place and none of them fit well.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by vontrek » February 12th, 2018, 10:52 am

Guess it is federal & state laws which are designed to protect reptile exploitation. But without a requirement for a bio-impact survey ordered before obtaining a construction permit, a housing addition can be built right on top of a hibernation den. Seen it happen around Kansas. Then over the years the residents are upset about copperheads and rattlesnakes showing up on their lawns.

I am setting up a service for capture and relocating snakes around my area. Have to obtain some kind of permit myself from the state I believe. I have not set up a website as yet but am working on it since spring is when people will be calling.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by craigb » February 12th, 2018, 11:37 am

Good for you Vontrek....
You should do well, and you will actually be saving the animals you relocate.
At least you are trying. Police, Fire, and Animal Control really like turning snake removal over to professionals.
I am truly not joking. They are seldom trained, and their time could be spent doing something they know how to do. Keep all you paperwork up to date. Get a business license in what ever area you are going to work. Write receipts and keep copies. Go by Police, Fire, and Animal Control agencies and make an appointment with an administrator. Go dressed professionally and sell yourself. Give them a hand full of business cards and let them know your hours. All of them hate to work at night and on holidays.

Let me clarify from experience. The administrators of those agencies hate to pay overtime or for extra personnel nights and holidays.

Look and act professional in the public eye.

Good Luck... :thumb:

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Post by JuanDowe » March 22nd, 2018, 3:10 pm

"......Guess it is federal & state laws which are designed to protect reptile exploitation. But without a requirement for a bio-impact survey"

:shock: Wha countrae da ye live in citybhoy? Do ye suck Boris's or Gary's? Those are onlae twa levels. Google international level protection. Ta mae you're one step above a provo. Maybe ya need to reconsider your alliance with such plastic hunns before you decide to live behind the wire. Or other than that, if ye assosiate with Johnny Adiar, move ta Germany.

Then there is the local level (I.E. state and national park regs).
PS. Stop huffing the magic dragon or watch yer jackboot round me people.

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Keep this forum clear of stupidity please. Alas we have enough of it.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by WSTREPS » January 13th, 2019, 5:29 am




Ernie Eison

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Post by jonathan » January 13th, 2019, 6:49 am

JuanDowe wrote:Keep this forum clear of stupidity please. Alas we have enough of it.
And then Ernie follows by posting an actual White Supremacist NeoNazi murderer and church arsonist spouting the most ridiculous racist drivel as the response to environmental issues. :roll:



(the worst part is not just that video is full of logical fallacies, but the white nationalist video-maker is actually a pagan environmental extremist who would hate Ernie's lifestyle :lol: He'll probably take advantage of that to be simultaneously both racist and anti-environmentalist. :cry: )

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Post by WSTREPS » January 17th, 2019, 3:49 am

Its important to note. When viewing various environmental statistical information and writings. Especially that which pertains to the evil US and its big money corporations oil, farming etc. To understand who is behind these studies and why they choose their targets, how environmentally motivated warrior groups create big money making machines of their own. The strategic use of manufactured falsehoods and statistical information skewed by their favorite girl. Little Mis-Information. "A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies." - Alfred Lord Tennyson

Ernie Eison

Ps Its not hard to predict how some possessing lesser intelligence who view this video will try to compose rebuttals based on literal interpretaion.These types of responses completely miss or intentionally misdirect from the deeper and more meaningful points made.

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Post by jonathan » January 17th, 2019, 3:59 am

So he posts a video by an actual criminal White Supremacist, someone who has been found guilty in a court of law of murder, church-burning, and inciting racial hatred, and he doesn't even apologize but just doubles-down and keeps going?

Literally says we need to see "who is behind" these things when a WHITE SUPREMACIST was behind the awful logical fallacies he just posted?

Ernie, I have friends who are scientists who work for the oil industry who tell me that even within the industry itself practically everyone believes in Global Warming and believes that our fossil fuels are a major contributing factor. I have brilliant friends in India who spend their lives helping local farmers adjust to the climate change they see occurring already. I and everyone else here have seen the environmental destruction wrought by development with our own eyes.

Sam Sweet just presented a paper that shows snake finds dropping by 90% within his study areas across all species in just three decades. Do you believe that animal populations aren't dropping across thousands of species and in the vast majority of locales? Do you believe that hundreds of species aren't facing crises as we speak? You might not do much field herping anymore, but most of us do. I work in California, in Oregon, in Thailand, in the Philippines, in India, in Bangladesh, there is NOWHERE I go where modern society hasn't driven intense environmental destruction.

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Re: How I've come to disdain environmentalists

Post by Bryan Hamilton » January 18th, 2019, 9:23 am

Ernie roo roo back on the forum!

I imagine a gollum like creature, sitting in the dark for the last 8 months, plotting its response, watching all the you tube, reading all the breitbart. Then risiNG lIKE A PHOENIX TO Post something SO sMaRt, Something so BRilLIant, there can be NO DOUBT!
Its not hard to predict how some possessing lesser intelligence who view this video will try to compose rebuttals based on literal interpretaion.
The best part... in a sentence questioning the intelligence of the haters and doubters, you make spelling error. Classic and probably a trap no doubt to capture the feeble minded. Always two steps ahead and three squares to the right.

You're a forum treasure Ernie roo roo. Welcome back.

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